I'm on deck but have a question regarding belt set-up.

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So my waist/belt size is 30. I run production with 4 mag pouches as 5 will either run the last pouch to far past the middle of my back or the pouches would be to close together that the mags are positioned vertical and thats a no no for me for my reloads.

I know that in Production that my equipment has to be at or behind my hip bone.

Right now for the long CoF I run with 4 mags in the pouches and 1 in my back pocket or left cargo pocket if I'm wearing cargo pants... 5 mags total. When I'm at the firing line and I'm load and make ready the first mag I use is the one from my pocket. So far no RO at a match has commented on that.

Now I'm wanting to change how I'm about to load and make ready when I'm at the firing line by going throught my draw...aim at my first intended target down range and then load and make ready but not with my first mag but with the 5th that would normally be in my pocket BUT instead I now have it placed IN FRONT of my hip bone held between the belt and pants, no magnet or extra pouch.

Is this legal.... to have that 5th mag there when I'm load and make ready? Beacuse once I load I no longer have any equipment in front of my hip bone.

Thanks.
 
No, not in Prod or Standard.

The course of fires starts when the RO give's you the "Load and Make Ready" - Rule 8.3.1
You would effectively have a mag (allied equipment) in front of your hip bone during the course of fire - you would be bumped to Open.

While there's nothing technically wrong with drawing your gun on the first target after you're given the LAMR command, the RO could decide that you were testing the first position and issue you a procedural penalty (rule 8.7.3) if you move your feet, lean around hard cover, index more than once target etc.

Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be...

In any event...Phil is the head of NROI for Ontario...and would be the proper person to contact for verification of Rules.
 
hmm I thought that for LAMR it was ok to draw a mag from a front pocket, but not return it there (if it was just a stripper mag)?
 
ROC,
COF start at LAMR like Quigley said, however I don't think you will incur procedure for having magazine in your front pocket for get ready. Magnet is a different issue. I like to have one, but I keep it behind hip bone all the time. Also, in Lee Valley they have magnets only for sale and I have attached one to my rig behind hip bone to use for loading and never had any issues. When you start (beep) you can not have any magazines upfront of hipbones attached to your belt or sticking out more then 5cm.

Yes, you can take a one sight picture on the first target anytime you wish, as long as you don't move or make obvious that you are testing COF.
There is a talk to delete this option in IPSC, but as far as I understand this is still good.
 
Peter, it will be interesting to hear what Phil's take is.

Things to remember:

Time starts on the beep...not the COF.
There's no rule that says your mags have to be secured in a mag pouch (or a magnet) The rule says "should" which is a recommendation only. You can stuff them all in your belt or in pockets if you want...provided you meet the requirements of Appendix D.
 
Thanks for all the input.

I have only seen one Stardard shooter use the magnet on the side of his first pouch but I have yet to see someone from production use one.

I'm not far from Lee Valley and may just attach the magnet to the side of my first mag pouch.

My intentions are not to test the COF but just get my mind focus and reduce the jitters. I try now to do a few practice draws at the safe table when I'm in the hole to help reduce the butterflies but would like to do one more slow one when I'm LAMR.

Thanks again for the help.
 
It is within our rules to say no to any sight pictures during LAMR already.
I have magnets mounted to the outside of first 3 Guga Ribas pouches, and they are legal, just, within in the 50mm rule. I'm planning on making some of my own that use a similar set up but are magnet only.
 
sounds fine, as long as when the beep goes you have nothing infront of the hip bone you are fine. I chamber a round with the last mag on my belt, put the mag back then take one out of my front pocket pop it in the gun the holster. If its OK at the worldshoot no reason why it wouldn't be ok here.
 
Slavex said:
I have magnets mounted to the outside of first 3 Guga Ribas pouches, and they are legal, just, within in the 50mm rule. I'm planning on making some of my own that use a similar set up but are magnet only.
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I checked Lee Valley and they have just the round Rare Earth magnet without the belt clip. I need to measure my pouch to my torso to see how close I am to 50mm and go from there.
 
The ROC said:
I checked Lee Valley and they have just the round Rare Earth magnet without the belt clip. I need to measure my pouch to my torso to see how close I am to 50mm and go from there.
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ROC,

if I can be of any help better route the Lee Valley is buying Ghost magnetic pouch and have that as a first pouch.
I like the idea of wings, which can work as a guide when starting from the table unloaded.

Good Luck

ghost_magnetic_pouch.jpg
 
why not do the following:

1) have a mag pouch on your week side behind the holster.. (far enough back so there is no safety issue of hitting it during the draw/holster)
2) on the load and make ready, use your strong hand to grab the mag, and pass to your weak hand
3) load as normal
4) drop the loader/stripper mag on the ground..

now you are starting with legal mag holders.. (plus you have one on the weak side if you are doing one handed (weak) and need to reload using your strong hand..
 
PeterPan said:
ROC,

if I can be of any help better route the Lee Valley is buying Ghost magnetic pouch and have that as a first pouch.
I like the idea of wings, which can work as a guide when starting from the table unloaded.

Good Luck

ghost_magnetic_pouch.jpg
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Thanks. I thought about that but I still want to run 4 pouches 4 mags with the
5th mag for LAMR but I want to find a new place to put it
Instead of having it in my pocket. I may very well just slip it behind my hip bone and in-between my belt and pants.
 
Quigley said:
No, not in Prod or Standard.

The course of fires starts when the RO give's you the "Load and Make Ready" - Rule 8.3.1
You would effectively have a mag (allied equipment) in front of your hip bone during the course of fire - you would be bumped to Open.

While there's nothing technically wrong with drawing your gun on the first target after you're given the LAMR command, the RO could decide that you were testing the first position and issue you a procedural penalty (rule 8.7.3) if you move your feet, lean around hard cover, index more than once target etc.

Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be...

In any event...Phil is the head of NROI for Ontario...and would be the proper person to contact for verification of Rules.
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:agree:

Yes you could be put into open. The same thing has happened to shooters in the past that have had a round in their belt loop in the front that they use to top off their loading mag. Any equipment forward of your hip bone, ammo, holster, mag etc could do this to you if the RO catches it.
 
I have always loaded one round on LAMR with my first mag. Put it back. Pulled mag out of my front pocket to complete load up. I shot all divisions.
 
SVISTI1911 said:
:agree:

Yes you could be put into open. The same thing has happened to shooters in the past that have had a round in their belt loop in the front that they use to top off their loading mag. Any equipment forward of your hip bone, ammo, holster, mag etc could do this to you if the RO catches it.
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not quite the same thing as they usually have a bullet holder and the holder is what puts them into open as it is forward of the hip bone.

If you go onto Global Village Vince has said that for as long as there is nothing forward of your hip bone on the beep you are good to go. for once common sense has reared it's ugly head.
 
I think the ones I used are the 3/4 inch ones, in the holders with the hole in the back. I tapped the outside two holes on my Guga Ribas pouches, screwed the magnet holders on, epoxied as well to make sure they were stuck there, slotted the holders (so the magnets could be removed if necessary) and then dropped the magnets in.
The Ghost magnet pouch is nice, but I prefer the mounting options of the GR pouches.
 
The ROC said:
So my waist/belt size is 30. I run production with 4 mag pouches as 5 will either run the last pouch to far past the middle of my back or the pouches would be to close together that the mags are positioned vertical and thats a no no for me for my reloads.
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Now you can see the tactical advantage in having a 46+ inch waistline :redface:
 
The ROC said:
I checked Lee Valley and they have just the round Rare Earth magnet without the belt clip. I need to measure my pouch to my torso to see how close I am to 50mm and go from there.
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I'd recommend this magnet from DAA http://tinyurl.com/2e58hp6
You can slam op to *three* magazines on it if you have to grab them off the table after start. I have it mounted on front of the first pouch just right behind the hip bone. As long as there is no magazine on it before the beep, you are ok in IPSC. Though USPSA rules have different wording.

Anyways, 4 pouches not be enough when you run to the stage which force you to reload after each 6 rounds and even with an unloaded gun. So, you'll work trough 5 pouches or else you'd be doing static reloads...
 
PeterPan said:
if I can be of any help better route the Lee Valley is buying Ghost magnetic pouch and have that as a first pouch.
I like the idea of wings, which can work as a guide when starting from the table unloaded.
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Interestingly, I saw some competitors cut off the front wing on these pouches, so it would be easier to put a mag on it after the beep. But then it would rotate easier, giving an inconsistent mag position, so I still like large DAA magnet on front of the first regular pouch.
 
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