Importance of rapid second shot in hunting situations

I was more thinking along the lines of mechanical and engineering complexity. By comparison a precision machined Mauser looks much more complicated than a mass produced military style auto loader like the M14.

I do my fair share of machining and have worked on both extensively, and I'm afraid the M14 is exponentially more complicated. Both lock up with a two lug bolt rotating into battery, that's about the end of the simple mechanical similarities. If you were to weld a peg (bolt handle) in place of the bolt roller on an M14, remove the gas cylinder and piston, and the op rod, you would have a crude bolt action still more complicated than a Mauser. A Mauser being well made dosesn't make it complicated in my opinion, they are mechanically straightforward and incredibly durable devices and this is why they've succeeded so readily. A semi by its nature must always be more complicated than a bolt action, but this is fair as they also do more.
 
A lot of hunters that buy semi autos are only doing so because they don't want to spend any time at the range practicing...

I'm not sure this is entirely true but methinks in the case of those that may think this way are probably going to fail as bad as they do with any action type.

For me a semi reduces distraction from working the action and re assessing sight picture as with a bolt gun. Comparable to driving an automatic over a manual transmission.
 
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If you're shooting a bolt gun you don't have to wait for gas to cycle the action.:nest:

Yes there are advantages to shooting a semi-auto. However, the rate of fire is not an important consideration, when only a couple or 3 rounds are to be fired under field conditions, which means potentially having to recover from heavy recoil, coupled with a moving target that can be obscured by either vegetation or atmospheric conditions like fog or blowing snow. If you're convinced that rate of fire is the ultimate consideration, you should dump your gas gun in favor of a double rifle, as no semi auto can fire as fast as a double, as both barrels can be fired in unison.

Under typical big game hunting conditions, the semi auto rifle's biggest advantage is that you don't have to break or adjust your firing grip between shots, and that advantage is huge. Then again if you live in Texas and from a helicopter need to deal with a marauding herd of wild hogs, an AR with a stack of 30 round magazines is probably your best solution. An often overlooked advantage is that a semi-auto can't be short stroked in a high stress dangerous game scenario, which is another huge advantage. Most gas operated rifles reduce the felt recoil of firing powerful cartridges, Pounder once had a BAR converted to .458, and it didn't feel much like a .458 or for that matter a .45/70. Ultimately it was an interesting experiment, but didn't seem practical for his purposes, so he went back to his Brno 602. A recoil operated semi-auto though will pound you as hard as any manually operated rifle chambered for the same cartridge though.

The primary disadvantage of semi-auto rifles is an almost universally poor trigger, and attempting to improve it usually messes with the piece's reliability. I've sold a few bolt guns that I was unable to tweak the trigger on or was unable to find an good after market trigger for, and because I'm admittedly anal about the importance of a good trigger, I'm not much of a gas gun guy. Having said that, I do own a few at the moment, including an expensive AR, which shoots sub MOA but doing so is a challenge with that trigger. A secondary disadvantage of the semi-auto is the fewer chambering options that are available in factory rifles compared to bolt guns. A BAR in .375 Ruger might be interesting for example, but you won't find one any time soon. Since the BAR is available in .338 Winchester, the problem isn't dramatic though. Personally I don't consider reliability a weak point in a quality semi-auto rifle. Machinery does repetitive tasks with far greater precision and reliability than people can, in all sorts of applications, and cycling the action of a firearm is a pretty simple task. All it asks is that the firearm be in good mechanical conditions and the ammunition be dimensionally uniform and produce enough energy on firing to fully cycle the action.

The bottom line is that semi-autos can be an excellent sporting rifles for the fellows who appreciate them, but they aren't for everyone.
 
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Depends what you're hunting. I suppose for most of us it's one animal, one shot ideally.

But for other game, you might need to take more than one shot. Regardless, who needs a semi....


Actually, I have a few bolts and a few semis and like them all. Would use them in different circumstances. But looks like a semi is absolutely not necessary to get off a second shot!
 
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The guy's good. How come nobody is saying that he is compensating for something what with the magnum and extended capacity mags? Surely he must have no shooting ability, no confidence and a short ####?
 
I think, for the most part, this is more about personal choice... every situation and application is different... My personal firearm choice is tailored to the type of hunting I am doing at the time... The majority of my rifles are bolt guns because I love th esimplicity, reliability and feel of a nice bolt gun... Now, that being said there are hunting situations that I have semis for.. For example, when stand hunting whitetails or calling for coyotes I use bolt guns exclusively... When stalking whitetail my go to rifle is a Ruger gunsite scout... The reason for this is not that I feel bolt guns have a quicker second shot, but I find they swing much better than their heavier and clunkier semi counterparts... I don't feel overly handicapped and can work a bolt fast enough to get a chance at a second in most situations if needed and I don't mind having that extra second to steady myself for shot two...

But when hunting wolves over powerlines, cuts and open fields where targets are driven and usually running at somewhat of a distance I will take a semi any day of the week... Doesn't mean I am spraying and praying, just means that I want that second shot handy without having to lose target aquisition should my first shot not hit exactly where I want it to go...
 
The guy's good. How come nobody is saying that he is compensating for something what with the magnum and extended capacity mags? Surely he must have no shooting ability, no confidence and a short ####?

Because you are the only one thinking about the guy's #### while the rest of us were watching him shoot boars? :)
 
The guy's good. How come nobody is saying that he is compensating for something what with the magnum and extended capacity mags? Surely he must have no shooting ability, no confidence and a short ####?

Probably because he looks like he is actually using his rifle and is obviously someone that practices with it.

That sort of skill is earned not bought.
 
The guy's good. How come nobody is saying that he is compensating for something what with the magnum and extended capacity mags? Surely he must have no shooting ability, no confidence and a short ####?

I have to agree. Contrary to forum norms, the magnum shooters I know are the more proficient crowd. This like all generalizations is not a law, but what I see among accomplished and dedicated hunters. I think a lot of it stems from guys used to shooting say a .308 trying a .300 or .338, not doing as well as they can with their .308, and moving back away from the magnums only to assume they must be hard to shoot for every hunter. Fact is I believe a good shooter is usually a good shooter whether he's shooting a magnum or a .223.
 
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