Importing New Black Powder Pistols From US

chad_chewy

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Hey there,
I've recently found an interest with black powder pistols and am considering buying a Uberti in the States for importing to Canada. Has anyone had experience with buying them down there then bringing them to the border themselves or mailing them into Canada, what all the hoops are that one has to jump through? ...I understand you don't need an FFL down there but they are restricted up here.
Thanks
 
A painless way to go about it might be to use questar. They offer import services. Check the dealer section or search on here for them. It seems pretty reasonable you pay them a bit and they take care of it. You probabley could do it yourself but you could also drill out your own cavities!LOL.
 
Black powder muzzle loading rifles and muskets can be imported after obtaining a registration certificate here. I would not think that handguns would be included in that. All you need at the border is a Reg. Cert. and your PAL. Questar....Eeee-ha....only if you want to pay an extra $200.00 or so on top of the price of your firearm....or more.
 
chad_chewy said:
Hey there,
I've recently found an interest with black powder pistols and am considering buying a Uberti in the States for importing to Canada. Has anyone had experience with buying them down there then bringing them to the border themselves or mailing them into Canada, what all the hoops are that one has to jump through? ...I understand you don't need an FFL down there but they are restricted up here.
Thanks
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Not worth it for a pistol...buy a new one here it will be cheaper.

Cheers
 
Dantforth said:
Black powder muzzle loading rifles and muskets can be imported after obtaining a registration certificate here. I would not think that handguns would be included in that. All you need at the border is a Reg. Cert. and your PAL. Questar....Eeee-ha....only if you want to pay an extra $200.00 or so on top of the price of your firearm....or more.
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One question is can they be exported from the U.S. Black powder muzzleloading flintlocks can be exported from the U.S. I am not sure about caplocks. Best to check, if you can, U.S. export laws. You may be OK but best not find out the hard way.

Even flintlock pistols are considered restricted firearms in Canada. Do you have your restricted license?
 
LOL ya id be useing Questar if your not used to importing stuff.

Mind you if ya drill out your own Fillings im sure you can handle the pain Customs will put you thru if you Scew up even a little bit :D
 
Ya, I have the restricted license, and have checked with CFC on their requirements. Customs I know can have their own set of rules but I've found a lot of times if you go in there knowing what you're talking about then there's a better chance they won't argue. In this case it would be with the PAL, registration certificate and ATT. The US law says black powder and replicas of such, meaning anything that loads using black powder according to the ATF and State Department. Of course there's always the authority out there who wants to interpret things his own way to justifiy his own actions.
 
Actually the US does not say anything that loads with black powder; if it is fired using a modern rifle or shotgun primer, then the BATF declares it to be modern. That can be of importance for some inlines perhaps and also if someone had installed one of those special nipples that takes a 209 primer.

cheers mooncoon
 
I suppose that probably depends on which document one is reading or who is being asked. Section 123.17(b) of the ITAR reads class I firearms manufactored before 1898 or replicas of, with no mention of black powder or fired by primer. A document titled guidelines for the US border or ATF (or something like that - I don't have the page in front of me) states black powder firearms and replicas, no mention of primers.
If you know of some documentation which references the use of modern primers I'd like to get ahold of that.
 
No idea on the CURRENT US law regarding black powder revolvers, but about 10 years ago, I ordered one through a mail order place in the US. Definitely NOT considered a firearm, so it came right to a UPS place just across the border. I drove it to the Can. side, then did the whole registration process. It was through the RCMP back then.

As said, I'm not sure about the current US laws, but my guess is, that technically it is OK to buy a BP cap and ball, but the guy on the US side that stops you doesnt know it is OK.
Save yourself the grief, and buy from Marstar. They usually have the Italian reproductions.
 
To the best of my knowledge most States blackpowder firearms are not firearms.So it's no problem to buy as tootall said, your problem starts after that.
I travel into Washington State once a year with m/l pistols, shotguns, bpcr, rifles.I always declare them at the border, never have a problem with US Customs officers.
Flintlock rifles are considered prescibed antiques and theoretically can come across the border without registration.
Pistols of course are restricted,and are subject to registration,and as tootall said a lot easier to buy from Marstar.
Unless you find what you are looking for at joesalter.com Joe is a Canadian QC with a firearm business in the States, he sells replicas and antiques.
If you buy from him he will walk you through and help you process the paperwork.
Don't be in a hurry if you choose that route.
Cheers nessy.
 
chad_chewy said:
I suppose that probably depends on which document one is reading or who is being asked. Section 123.17(b) of the ITAR reads class I firearms manufactored before 1898 or replicas of, with no mention of black powder or fired by primer.
If you know of some documentation which references the use of modern primers I'd like to get ahold of that.
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U.S.C. 921 (a)(16) defines antique guns in the USA That is modified by BATF Bulletin 98-2 dated 11-06-97 which paraphrased says that if they are fired using modern primers, they are modern.
There was an appeal or challenge by Modern Muzzleloading with regard to the Knight Disc rifle which was decided in favour of the BATF. Subsequent to that HR 3140 (probably in 1998 or 99) sought an exemption for muzzle loaders from the BATF decision. I am unaware of the outcome of HR 3140

cheers mooncoon
 
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