Importing non-restricted from US without a broker?

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Have any of you had experience in the last few years importing a non-restricted firearm from the US into Canada without using a broker to facilitate the process?
If so, I would be happy to hear your about your experience and any info that would be helpful.

With the border closed, I figured i could at least do the research and be ready when things start to get back to normal.

Please say-so or move the thread if its in the wrong forum.

Thanks!
 
The process is two parts. The import into Canada is the easy part and can be done - have done it many times, first time was as an individual too.

The export from the US is not possible at all from what I understand, I've made some half-hearted attempts but did not get very far. Apparently to get an export license you have to be a US entity - resident or corporation - and that nixes the whole self-importing into Canada.
 
Thank Kot.
I had read that many firearms were removed from ITAR for export purposes and thought this might mean there will be exceptions available. I’ll keep digging and see what I can find.
 
Thank Kot.
I had read that many firearms were removed from ITAR for export purposes and thought this might mean there will be exceptions available. I’ll keep digging and see what I can find.

Still need an exporter from the US! :(
 
US side research...how about the Canadian side?

From what I can piece together online from government websites:
Assume,
(i) a non-resident alien (in this case a Canadian citizen, resident in Canada);
(ii) lawfully in the US on a non-immigrant visa
(iii) in the US to hunt or attend a shooting competition
(iv) PAL holder (for the Canadian side of things)
(v) subject item is a shotgun, greater than 24”, barrel with value over $500

First, they might be allowed to receive and possess a firearm; second, they might be allowed to permanently export.
Now, the License Exception that allows temporary import, export, and re-export does not allow for permanent export, so no good doing it without looking at the export License regulations.
The Export Administration Regulations “EAR” suggest that for Canada, an OAS state, an export license should be available to a non-resident alien exporting if a “Firearms Convention (FC) Import Certificate or equivalent official document, satisfactory to BIS, issued by the government…” of Canada.

I’m going to head back to other things for a while now, but maybe someone has some experience with the Canadian side of obtaining an import certificate?
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References and notes:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonimmigrant-alien-who-has-been-admitted-united-states-under-nonimmigrant-visa

An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the alien falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as: a valid hunting license or permit, admitted for lawful hunting or sporting purposes, certain official representatives of a foreign government, or a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.
[18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B) and 922(y)(2); 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.32]
Last Reviewed January 9, 2020

Commerce Control List ECCN
Shotguns, barrel length 18 inches or over ............................................................................... 0A502

0A502 Shotguns; shotguns “parts” and “components,” consisting of complete trigger mechanisms; magazines and magazine extension tubes; “complete breech mechanisms;” except equipment used exclusively to treat or tranquilize animals, and except arms designed solely for signal, flare, or saluting use.
License Requirements
Reason for Control: RS, CC, FC, UN, AT, NS Control(s) Country Chart (See Supp. No. 1 to part 738)
NS applies to shotguns with a barrel length less than 18 inches (45.72 cm) NS Column 1
RS applies to shotguns with a barrel length less than 18 inches (45.72 cm) RS Column 1
FC applies to entire entry FC Column 1
CC applies to shotguns with a barrel length less than 24 in. (60.96 cm) and shotgun “components” controlled by this entry regardless of end user CC Column 1
CC applies to shotguns with a barrel length greater than or equal to 24 in.
(60.96 cm), regardless of end user CC Column 2
CC applies to shotguns with a barrel length greater than or equal to 24 in.
(60.96 cm) if for sale or resale to police or law enforcement CC Column 3
UN applies to entire entry See § 746.1(b) of the EAR for UN controls
AT applies to shotguns with a barrel length less than 18 inches (45.72 cm) AT Column 1



RS, CC, FC, UN, AT, NS Control(s)
FC Column 1 See Supp. No. 1 to part 738 https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/component/docman/?task=doc_download&gid=2383
CC Column 2 See Supp. No. 1 to part 738
https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/component/docman/?task=doc_download&gid=2383
UN, See § 746.1(b) of the EAR for UN controls
https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/regulation-docs/420-part-746-embargoes-and-other-special-controls/file


In case of a 30” barrel, not intended for resale
FC Column 1, Yes Firearms Convention is applicable
CC Column 2, No entry

Part 742 - Control Policy -- CCL Based Controls

§ 742.17 EXPORTS OF FIREARMS TO OAS MEMBER COUNTRIES
(a) License requirements
BIS maintains a licensing system for the export of firearms and related items to all OAS member countries. This action is based on the Organization of American States (OAS) Model Regulations for the Control of the International Movement of Firearms, their Parts and Components and Munitions (OAS Model Regulations) which were developed to assist OAS member countries to implement the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials (Firearms Convention)2. Items subject to these controls are identified by “FC Column 1" in the “License Requirements” section of their Export Control Classification Number (ECCN) on the Commerce Control List (CCL). If “FC Column 1" of the Commerce Country Chart (Supplement No. 1 to part 738 of the EAR) is indicated for a particular country, a license is required for export to that destination. Licenses will generally be issued on a Firearms Convention (FC) Import Certificate or equivalent official document, satisfactory to BIS, issued by the government of the importing OAS member country.


Still need an exporter from the US! :(



Still need an exporter from the US! :(
 
What is the shotgun you want to export from the US? If it's because you're trying to save a few $$$, stop looking right now because it isn't worth it. By the time you factor in export costs and time it works out to around the same. If it's because it's something that you can't get here, Irunguns and Prophet River both offer import services for a couple of hundred dollars.
 
At the moment, it is more knowing what my options are and what the timeframe is as I make purchasing decisions (now or in the future). For example, someday if I'm down in the US and see something that I would like to purchase, but would not be able to get in Canada, and if I could work out the process being less than the two-month wait that it sounds like for a professional broker to deal with, then i'd like to know. I doubt I'd pursue it for a few hundred dollars saved.
What is the shotgun you want to export from the US? If it's because you're trying to save a few $$$, stop looking right now because it isn't worth it. By the time you factor in export costs and time it works out to around the same. If it's because it's something that you can't get here, Irunguns and Prophet River both offer import services for a couple of hundred dollars.
 
...but maybe someone has some experience with the Canadian side of obtaining an import certificate?

Yes, have applied and received them.

The import certificate from Foreign Affairs is super easy. Use EXCOL to apply. Unlike a registered exporter you'll be limited in features but it can be done.

As I said, it's the US export side that's hard.
 
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At the moment, it is more knowing what my options are and what the timeframe is as I make purchasing decisions (now or in the future). For example, someday if I'm down in the US and see something that I would like to purchase, but would not be able to get in Canada, and if I could work out the process being less than the two-month wait that it sounds like for a professional broker to deal with, then i'd like to know. I doubt I'd pursue it for a few hundred dollars saved.

Fair enough, seems like a reasonable course of action in that case.
 
iv e done through a broker like prophet river and myself. i will not do it again alone. the fees saved did not save my time and the process was hard.

Not sure what you mean when you say you did it yourself. If you do have an American citizenship you also need a tone of money just to be registered as an exporter. I dont think you going to do it for one or even a few firearms for personal use. Plus exporters also pay per line on the export certificate (something like 200$).

With the recent changes, though, I am not sure what the fees are.
 
Back when the registry was on. I friend on mine was visiting relatives in the us . His aunt offered him a 20ga fox sxs that belonged to his uncle before he passed away. she had the gun in the closet for close to four years. She wrote him a letter stating this was a gift and signed it ,and added her phone number and address.. When he went to take it across the border, he told them the story. half thinking they would take the gun. they took the letter, and called his aunt to confirm. They then checked out his pal, and made him call and register the fox . Then he was sent on his way . The gun was not restricted, and This was long time ago, things have likely changed.
 
For Post #13 - "when he went to take it across the border" - I presume he was dealing at that point with Canada Border people to get into Canada, under Canada's rules. Especially since 9/11, the issue mentioned several times previously, is not so much about legally bringing it in to Canada, as it is to legally get it out of the USA - these are two very different things - Canada's laws do not count on USA side of the line; their rules don't apply here; what Canada Border agent told you on the way there means absolutely nothing to them, on their side of the line. Today, as most should understand, getting caught in USA by USA authorities trying to remove something like firearms or ammunition from USA to go anywhere, without their permits and their approvals, is "smuggling" and dealt with by them accordingly.
 
Not worth the effort. As already stated If you make it to the Canadian border importing should be no problem. Get caught in the US with a firearm without out the paper work all hell will raindown on you.

Using Phropet River the fees where very reasonable. If you arrange though them. You would pay for the US firearm and the dealer would ship to Phropet Rivers FFL in the states and really only delay time wise is the time between trips that Phropet River makes to their FFL to bring the firearms across the border and the time it spends in the mail to get you. You will have to pay import duties and taxes but that would be the case on any legal import.

Cheers
 
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