Importing Valmet?

[promac]

Since you cannot argue with the CFC, except in a court room, how would this work?

Manufacturers of firearms classified as prohibited should sue the Canadian government and subpeona evidence used in deeming the firearms prohibited. But since that's highly unlikely........perhaps it would be easier to manufacture Valmet Hunters and M78's instead.


Since Beretta owns the VALMET name having acquired SAKO back in the 1990's... and all of this is outlined in the FRT, arrange for licencing through Beretta to manufacture Valmet Hunters and M78's in Canada. You'd probably have do do that anyway to produce a clone. Might as well do it right.

 

[CanAm]

Since Beretta owns the VALMET name having acquired SAKO back in the 1990's... and all of this is outlined in the FRT, arrange for licencing through Beretta to manufacture Valmet Hunters and M78's in Canada. You'd probably have do do that anyway to produce a clone. Might as well do it right.

The Valmet name is owned by Metso. I contacted them. They have no interest.

 

[promac]

What about buying the rights? I suppose that would be expensive.

 

[CanAm]

What about buying the rights? I suppose that would be expensive.

They have no interest. They are a huge industrial combine. Frankly, it may be they no longer want the Valmet name associated with guns. We are better off putting our efferts into getting "sporting"versions of the AK like the saiga approved. Given the recent variant case, it is a possibility, especially with the hunter being removed because all the gov reports state it is a sporting gun, etc.

 

[TeaPot2]

... We are better off putting our efferts into getting "sporting"versions of the AK like the saiga approved. Given the recent variant case, it is a possibility, especially with the hunter being removed because all the gov reports state it is a sporting gun, etc.

how do we do this?

 

[CanAm]

how do we do this?

First we support Henderson via the NFA.

 

[RobSmith]

Valeri from Armrus tried that a couple of years ago with the Saiga and Tigr rifles. Feds pretty much ran him out of business by keeping the matter in court until he ran out of money and/or patience. I still haven't seen the details of the "judgement" and AFAIK the legal eagles whom peruse this site haven't been able to find the details of the case either.

Manufacturers of firearms classified as prohibited should sue the Canadian government and subpeona evidence used in deeming the firearms prohibited. But since that's highly unlikely........perhaps it would be easier to manufacture Valmet Hunters and M78's instead.


Since Beretta owns the VALMET name having acquired SAKO back in the 1990's... and all of this is outlined in the FRT, arrange for licencing through Beretta to manufacture Valmet Hunters and M78's in Canada. You'd probably have do do that anyway to produce a clone. Might as well do it right.

Aren't natives exempt from licensing and registration ? So even if there were hundreds of these things in the country, there would be no way to know for sure how many or where they are.

I wonder how many guns it takes before it becomes "common"?

Anybody knows how many Valmet Hunter were imported in Canada? Seems like the registry is only listing +/- 42

 

[CanAm]

Valeri from Armrus tried that a couple of years ago with the Saiga and Tigr rifles. Feds pretty much ran him out of business by keeping the matter in court until he ran out of money and/or patience. I still haven't seen the details of the "judgement" and AFAIK the legal eagles whom peruse this site haven't been able to find the details of the case either.

Yes, I believe it was a similar situation as the T97. But, I don't know that it even went to court. When I spoke with him he indicated it was his health that led him to return to Russia.

 

[sillymike]

Speaking of Valery,

I wonder what ever happened to the Super VPER... They would have been fun!

Or why not bringing in some more Berkut? The one I got to play with seemed pretty nice.

http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/sphu/hunt/berkut.htm

 

[CanAm]

The Super is prohib also. But who knows in the future. There are going to be big changes at the FRT lab. They have overstepped their authority by making pseudo-regulations.

 

[sillymike]

I'll see if I still got a valid number/email address for Valery... From what I recal, he had 'import permits' for wahtever rifle/model/variant he was bringing in...

That is, untill the container made it to Montreal and they decided that they needed to re-evaluate the rifle and not allowed him to take possession of it.

 

[RobSmith]

AFAIK the Vepr was "deemed prohibited" as an AK "variant".

Regarding the Berkut, I've heard rumors of Armrus as well as their remaining inventory and supplier lists having been bought out by a major Canadian dealer, I guess that the high price point on these deters whoever has the contract to bring in any more.

Speaking of Valery,

I wonder what ever happened to the Super VPER... They would have been fun!

Or why not bringing in some more Berkut? The one I got to play with seemed pretty nice.

http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/sphu/hunt/berkut.htm

 

[RobSmith]

If that is the case, that would be a great thing that had been requested by gun owners all the way back from the C-17 initiated 12(4) days. Their whole method of operation needs to be reviewed at the ministerial-level, as well as the entire FRT and appropriate corrected should be made ASAP.

The Super is prohib also. But who knows in the future. There are going to be big changes at the FRT lab. They have overstepped their authority by making pseudo-regulations.

Sounds like the same sort of shenanigans that are routinely pulled to this day (T97, VZ58 Krinkov, the aformeentioned Vepr, Saiga Tigr etc... not to mention various ammo containers)...

I'll see if I still got a valid number/email address for Valery... From what I recal, he had 'import permits' for wahtever rifle/model/variant he was bringing in...

That is, untill the container made it to Montreal and they decided that they needed to re-evaluate the rifle and not allowed him to take possession of it.

 

[Baal]

Aren't natives exempt from licensing and registration ? So even if there were hundreds of these things in the country, there would be no way to know for sure how many or where they are.

Indians are required to have a valid license and to register their firearms. I think the Inuit in Nunavut are exempt.

The only special treatment I've seen Indians receive is regarding their address when buying a gun. On the reserve I live on, people don't use street numbers... it's more like 'the blue house at the end of Paupanekis Point Road'. When I've sold them guns and we're at that point in the conversation with the CFC the CFC always asks to speak with the purchaser, asks them a few more questions, then back to me and they tell me the transfer is approved.

 

[avroe]

The Valmet name is owned by Metso. I contacted them. They have no interest.

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[avroe]

We are better off putting our efferts into getting "sporting"versions of the AK like the saiga approved. Given the recent variant case, it is a possibility, especially with the hunter being removed because all the gov reports state it is a sporting gun, etc.

Any update on this above mentioned variant case?