There is an interesting thread on Global Village with comments of IPSC Secretary and Handgun director, Vince Pinto.
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impractical IPSC target presentation
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The issue seems to be that it's not a realistic target presentation, i.e. "Why is the hostage getting a piggy back ride on the bad guy?"
Seems to me like some IPSC folks want it both ways, semi realistic targets in totally unrealistic scenarios. Dumb IMO, I totally prefer IPSC as an abstract (i.e. not realistic) shooting challenge.
Forget the no shoot. The last comment I quoted was referring those overlapping targets as plain stupid.
I think we have all seen our fair share of "impractical" stages,...but to be fair,... unless I am willing to do the work, than I really have no reason to complain. Having 3 or more no- shoots in a target array is one example. It is a shooting challenge, but then we get into the practical use of a firearm arguement. What "scenario" would this be? It would be a SHTF scenario on one side of the arguement, and on the other side,....you would not likely be taken on multiple bad guy targets with multiple good guy targets. OH,...I just opened up a s**t-storm!? LOL. The opinions vary,...but it is along the lines of wether IPSC world body would see the Texas star,...shooting challenge yes....practical....maybe? I don't really know the answer to that,...but I guess it would suggest a direction for IPSC to be heading....make changes,...keep it old school,etc...etc
I would prefer to see the scoring targets to the sides, or 1 to the side and 1 over the no-shoot. IT is a good debate,...but I do see why he would say it is not a "practical" scenario. I guess you would have to think about scenarios when making up stages, instead of just slapping together targets. It is all a shooting challenge, but the theme or background of the persons making the stages is the beauty of IPSC,...(aside for ICS stages) it is never the same challenge....it brings out the will to adapt and pursue different methods to breaking down the stage and shooting it.
Look at Dalhousie SUmmer SLam stages,....gas station with car,....Car stage, house stage, phone booth stage, bed stage,...(previous year), using barriers and walls, the boat!....I prefer these type of stages, but will shoot any stage anyone sets up.
When it stops being fun,..or gets too full of BS and politics and I feel there is no stopping that, I will stop participating in IPSC. For now I see no reason to stop. I still have fun, and like the comraderie. The guys that keep it real are the reasons I keep attending matches in NB and NS.
I would prefer to see the scoring targets to the sides, or 1 to the side and 1 over the no-shoot. IT is a good debate,...but I do see why he would say it is not a "practical" scenario. I guess you would have to think about scenarios when making up stages, instead of just slapping together targets. It is all a shooting challenge, but the theme or background of the persons making the stages is the beauty of IPSC,...(aside for ICS stages) it is never the same challenge....it brings out the will to adapt and pursue different methods to breaking down the stage and shooting it.
Look at Dalhousie SUmmer SLam stages,....gas station with car,....Car stage, house stage, phone booth stage, bed stage,...(previous year), using barriers and walls, the boat!....I prefer these type of stages, but will shoot any stage anyone sets up.
When it stops being fun,..or gets too full of BS and politics and I feel there is no stopping that, I will stop participating in IPSC. For now I see no reason to stop. I still have fun, and like the comraderie. The guys that keep it real are the reasons I keep attending matches in NB and NS.
Mo after certain point, it is not a challenge. 3..6 targets stacked in one array in most cases is a laziness of the course designer and it feels like bulls eye competition.
Face it, eh? Scenarios where far more fun and more interesting to shoot. The (relatively) new IPSC Political Correctness is becoming boring. If you were in IPSC in the 90's just remember Sault Ste Marie, Sudbury, Haliburton, Base Borden, Barrie, etc., etc. The current style is no where near as much fun. Why have the powers that be taken the fun out of IPSC ?? Do we now pay more for less ?? Think what you will, but we are fuct in the name of Political Correctness and Popa Nick has overseen the downhill slide.
Well VP said in that thread..."Thanks, Jose. That's an example of a silly and impractical target presentation. Without the no-shoot, no problem"....
So he appears to be fine with the over lapping targets...
I should start another account over there!
We need a rotating array........3 targets stacked with a no shoot on top.....popper beside, when the popper falls the array rotates......next popper rinse and repeat. You don't have to move, well maybe we will make 2 boxes to go back and forth in between!
We need a rotating array........3 targets stacked with a no shoot on top.....popper beside, when the popper falls the array rotates......next popper rinse and repeat. You don't have to move, well maybe we will make 2 boxes to go back and forth in between!
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Thats great.
Now I have to get used to calling the white targets HOSTAGE targets!
And I was just getting used to calling them penalty targets instead of No Shoots!!
Now I have to get used to calling the white targets HOSTAGE targets!
And I was just getting used to calling them penalty targets instead of No Shoots!!
Well i guess it depends on the match director. i try whenever i can to base my stages on a scenario. i don't have to say "stick up at the ATM" to have you pull your card to active something to present you with targets to shot. the whole "we can't do scenario's" is a bunch of bull####.
They haven't been penailty targets since January 1, 2009.
4.1.3. No-shoots must be clearly marked or be of a single color different from
scoring targets. Metal no-shoots in the general size and shape of
authorized paper targets may be used. Metal no-shoots do not have a non
scoring border.
4.2.2.1. The front of paper no-shoots must include a sufficiently
distinguishable non-scoring border. In the absence of
perforations or other suitable markings, the Range Master must
order that all affected targets have a replacement non-scoring
border drawn or fitted thereon.
ehhh after my almost ban here on CGN regarding my comments about someone on global village I better shut upThere is an interesting thread on Global Village with comments of IPSC Secretary and Handgun director, Vince Pinto.
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