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copey

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A recent deer skinning session has left me pondering.....
I hunt typical ontario brush where shots are usually this side of a Hundred yards
Do we really need 3006s and 308 to kill 160 pound deer at these ranges? All the deer killed with big rifles seemed just mutilated...I'm buyin a 30-30 the one I saw was just as dead as the others with less shot up meat less recoil and less blast
My two pennies
 
160 pound deers is what we call a fawn, but we also got moose and elk that make a horse look like a miniature poodle.
 
Perfect! Another excuse to buy a gun, my Weatherby is just too darn fast, lol! All jokes aside I was extremely tempted to pick up a Henry lever 30-30 today. In fact it's still under consideration, man that thing is nice! With a ghost ring peep site yet.
 
I toss a 30-06 with 180 gr. And never have that problem... If you are impatient and shoot through the brisket or a top down shot it will get the job done, but you could create a mess...

Not sure what you saw but a good broadside shot will not get the results you seem to be describing...
 
Superbrad said:
Not sure what you saw but a good broadside shot will not get the results you seem to be describing...
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Exactly. If you use the right type of bullet at the right velocity and you hit them broadside without hitting the shoulder, you'll have a hole in through the ribs, destroyed vitals, and a non destructive hole on the other side through the ribs. No wasted meat.
 
fiddler said:
160 pound deers is what we call a fawn, but we also got moose and elk that make a horse look like a miniature poodle.
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I'd like to see those Elk, and I thought I lived amongst some of the biggest. The light category for horses ends at 1,200lbs, and riding horses go up to 2,000lbs. The biggest horse was about 3,300lbs. I want to know where these elk are! Ours weigh 600-800lbs.
 
Ardent said:
I'd like to see those Elk, and I thought I lived amongst some of the biggest. The light category for horses ends at 1,200lbs, and riding horses go up to 2,000lbs. The biggest horse was about 3,300lbs. I want to know where these elk are! Ours weigh 600-800lbs.
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Don't you know that the moose I missed was at least 2800 lbs and had a 85" rack span. And for some reason every time I remember the story it gets bigger and bigger.

On the other hand that monster buck I shot acted like a swim in ice cold water. Major shrinkage when you really look at it. Actually the thought of a bull moose bigger than a 2000 lb horse is a little scary. Especially when you are out there with a piddly little 30 06:)
 
fiddler said:
160 pound deers is what we call a fawn, but we also got moose and elk that make a horse look like a miniature poodle.
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Man, where you shooting' these animals. Big elk run 750-800 lbs, big moose, in the 1500- maybe 1800lb range in the areas I hunt. Seen WAY MORE horses tipping the scales at above that.
 
copey said:
A recent deer skinning session has left me pondering.....
I hunt typical ontario brush where shots are usually this side of a Hundred yards
Do we really need 3006s and 308 to kill 160 pound deer at these ranges? All the deer killed with big rifles seemed just mutilated...I'm buyin a 30-30 the one I saw was just as dead as the others with less shot up meat less recoil and less blast
My two pennies
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Shoot it in the neck.

No, my father has only ever had a .30-30. Counted for dozens of deer. Only reason I have an '06 is mistaken identity.
 
Well - I came to the conclusion that my 300 savage with 150 gr pills was almost too much gun. I shot a large doe at about 40 yards, broadside shot in the ribcage - missed the heart but made soup of the lungs. Deer ran about 100 y on adrenalin and collapsed. The shot was a pass through, but changed direction through the body cavity and exited closer to mid body. Managed to find the bullet in the snow - relatively little expansion.
I'm not complaining - I got the deer. However, in previous years, I have used lower velocity, large mass round nose bullets, and they seem to plant the deer better. I'm going back to the larger pills next year.
 
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