In-line and Traditonal

Inline and traditional poll

  • Inline and traditional should be under one single forum

    Votes: 50 50.0%

  • Inline and traditional should have separate subforums

    Votes: 50 50.0%
  • Total voters
    100
sheephunter said:
Not saying there aren't some differences but what is it that offends some of you so much about in-line posts on the same forum? You don't have to read them you know. And no need to show your disgust everytime someone talks about a sabot....we know how you feel. I haven't seen any of the in-line guys making fun of your cute little outfits! :D

They load through the front and belch smoke when you pull the trigger......they are more similar than you know. Don't worry though, I've got a couple caplocks too! Get over yourselves!
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Yeah Yeah I know.....
I for one am not too overtly offended by them...Its just that they seem like a lazy version of the origionals, only designed so some can take advantage of the traditional hunting regs..
I though the whole point of the aforsaid regs was to shoot traditional arms..??

Im not bashing em "well too much" I just cannot help but love fine wood stocks, quality furniture in brass and steel and a finly tuned side lock used with expertise.

And my outfit is not cute..;)
its leather and canvas...unlike the super space alloys that block scents and have more in common with a space suit then bush garb.

Shure we are all shooters and on that we should stick together like weld bond..
But lets not try to put a kentucky rifle and round ball and a plastic stocked 209 primer ignited , pellit loaded sabot shooting frankenstine gun on the same rack.
Then again its all a matter of taste...
I can see it from both sides, but lets keep tradtional.....TRADITIONAL
 
Musketfire said:
Yeah Yeah I know.....
I for one am not too overtly offended by them...Its just that they seem like a lazy version of the origionals, only designed so some can take advantage of the traditional hunting regs..
I though the whole point of the aforsaid regs was to shoot traditional arms..??

Im not bashing em "well too much" I just cannot help but love fine wood stocks, quality furniture in brass and steel and a finly tuned side lock used with expertise.

And my outfit is not cute..;)
its leather and canvas...unlike the super space alloys that block scents and have more in common with a space suit then bush garb.

Shure we are all shooters and on that we should stick together like weld bond..
But lets not try to put a kentucky rifle and round ball and a plastic stocked 209 primer ignited , pellit loaded sabot shooting frankenstine gun on the same rack.
Then again its all a matter of taste...
I can see it from both sides, but lets keep tradtional.....TRADITIONAL
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And what if I choose to hunt regular rifle seasons with my lazy version of the original while wearing my space suit...will that garner me more respect? I've likely killed a hundred animals with muzzleloaders that ranged from flintlocks to super high-tech 209s and I can count on one hand how many were taken in a primitive weapon season. Does that still make me a slacker? Maybe I should have my own forum?

I've never tried to a put Kentucky rifle on the same rack but where do you draw the line with traditionals? The caplock sure seems a lazy version of the flintlock and man, what kind of a slacker would pick up a flintlock when there's a perfectly good matchlock on the rack.

I just get tired of being insulted because I choose to do much of my hunting with an in-line. I don't mock the guys that shoot centrefires but then again I appreciate all aspects of guns and hunting. Too bad some need to try and drag the rest of us down.......... I'm not sure how my hunting with an in-line or posting on this forum impacts your life at all but some of you sure think it does.

Quite truthfully, I haven't seen anyone yet on this forumn trying to argue that in-lines are identical to traditional....maybe it's the fact that they are so different yet so common that we should celebrate rather than being bashed over. Many of the traditional guys seem awfully protective of something I've yet to see a threat over. Truthfully I don't get it.
 
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Im not trying to be insulting, just giving my opinion.

Speaking for myself,I am worried as these new style muzzleloaders continue to evolve the very nature of them being basically a modern arm, may make the powers that be -start to regulate all muzzleloaders in the same catagory.

Which would nearly destroy the REAL traditional shooters persuits like reinacting and trekking.

Also, the more companys start producing the modern front stuffer thingys the less they will produce the traditional designs.

Maybe I am alone in thinking TRADITIONAL season should be done with traditional arms???

I think most who own the new plastic muzzloaders only own em to take advantage of the traditional season with a gun that is primarily a modern arm.

Now dont get me wrong, I have nothing but the highest respect for you and all the other experienced shooters here on this forum.

But is not this catagory called BLACK POWDER AND ANTIQUES..!!
For lovers of the old ways??

Not plastic stocked modern front loaders that use plastic sabots and electric ignition.

I am sticking firm on this-respectfully-,

I think they are completely different and should be defined as such.

There is nothing traditional about plastic and pelletts as a charge.

I Support traditional shooting!!
I am not mocking those who love the new modern plastic stocked 209 /electric ignited modern guns.
But classing them in the same catagory as trad percussion, or trad flintlock is not a description proper in my estimation

Though to be honest with you I am also a odd ball die hard tradional shooter.

So if I sound like a bit of a zelot.....thats why.

Either or I stand by all schools of firearms and shooting, vive la differance and all that.

Cheers
 
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sheephunter said:
Not saying there aren't some differences but what is it that offends some of you so much about in-line posts on the same forum?
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It is not what offends but that inlines are basically modern centerfires using caseless ammo and intended only for getting an extended hunting season. Traditional guns are in many ways about recreating a tradition or perceived tradition.
These venues are very different in my opinion; sort of like why should we not include rifle and shotgun shooting in the same forum

cheers mooncoon
 
mooncoon said:
It is not what offends but that inlines are basically modern centerfires using caseless ammo and intended only for getting an extended hunting season. Traditional guns are in many ways about recreating a tradition or perceived tradition.
These venues are very different in my opinion; sort of like why should we not include rifle and shotgun shooting in the same forum

cheers mooncoon
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Apparently you have all the answers here but I would definitely beg to differ. As I've stated, I rarely hunt extended/special seasons with my muzzleloader but rather I hunt regular rifle seasons. I appreciate the added challenge that a front-loader provides and I appreciate all the timre and effort I put in with my muzzleloaders to get them shooting the way mine do. The fact that in-lines load from the muzzle and not the breech kind of puts an end to your comparison to caseless ammo. I put powder and bullet in the same end on my flintlock, caplock and in-line and push that load down and seat it with a ramrod. All my muzzleloaders are about tradition, challenge, heritage and recreation....not some greedy grab for more venison.

Regardless, how does someone hunting witn an in-line negatively impact your experience in a special muzzleloader season other than possibly petty jealousy that they can shoot a few yards further?

Just curious where you draw this percieved ethical line....caplock? flintlock? matchlock? round ball? conical? bp? bp substitute? buckhorn sights? peep sights? scopes? #11 caps? Musket caps?

As you can see, there has been quite a progession of technology....on what day did it quit being about tradition? It seems to me that all of these advancement were designed to make muzzleloaders more effective killers. Where is the line?
You have to answer a lot of questions at the risk of being knocked off your high horse.
 
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Well here goes my 2cnts worth, IMHO and i have been at this for more than 50 years. Traditional is black powder poured down the barrel, caps or flint, round ball, round ball patched. grease groove cast bullets. or paper patched.Barrel sights and tang sights, external hammer. Not mutch else left to say on traditional except you have to work at it to get it to work right and be accurate. And we don't mind cleaning up.

Modern is stainless steel or regular barrels. Wood or synthetic stocks bolt action, break action, a multitude of synthetic corrosive powders some already pre measured in solid form,fancy rifle scopes with bullet drop compensators. saboted bullets. copper clad jacketed bullets. Most nowadays have a hidden firing pin system of ignition. Unless you get water down the barrel you will get ignition. The only reason I can see most people use them is because it is easier than traditional black powder rifles to use. They havethe perception they can shoot farther and better with a scoped rifle.

The only thing i see the same in a traditional muzzle loader and a modern muzzle loader is that both load from the muzzle. The similarities in my oppinion ends right there.

This is not a flame just that each has a place just not together. To me that is whether it be hunting, or competition shoots.
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They introduced a extra week in or area to hunt deer with a muzzle-loading gun season. Since I never hunted with any type of muzzle loader before I decided to try this week with an inline. If I were restricted to use a traditional that week I would of bought one of them. We also have a bow season which allows the use of any type of bow including crossbows etc. Are we arguing that each type of muzzleloader, bow and maybe rifle should have its own season? When I started bow hunting there was no shotgun season in our area, but because the bow hunts could not control the deer population they introduced a 3, 5, 6, plus a 2nd late 6 day season for deer with a shotgun. We also have the muzzleloader or 2 seasons. I do not want anymore special seasons that takes more hunting time away like a traditional ONLY muzzleloader season because we can not apply to hunt all special seasons in our area which means LESS hunting time? I voted to split the muzzles because at this time I have no interest in using a traditional muzzleloader or a spear (or keep it as is ). If you want to save reading time make a common asked question thread like what do you think about the 870, nova, SPS, 11-87, SBE etc etc, and any other repeated question. Not my favorite time of the year, come on fall?
 
If you read the recent thread started by a Newbe wanting advices on his new purchase you will agree that separate forums would be better. The poor lad got into a crossfire of informations that were not so gracious at time. Separate forums would avoid such situation in my opinion and would allow the respective shooting disciplines to build their collective expertise in a more focus and user friendly environment....
 
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Keep them together. In the Hunting & Sporting arms forum we have everything from the 1800's Mausers to the Tikka T3 Stainless. Just cause some are older, doesn't mean they should be seperate...

They're all BP...Sorta...:)
 
mooncoon said:
I voted for a separation but by a narrow margin. My reason is the controversy that always erupts when the inliners come close to suggesting that they are maintaining the spirit of muzzle loading or are just the same as traditional guns.

cheers mooncoon
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Yeah, what he said!:D
Actually, I could care less, as I normally don't read anything that begins or end with the "I" word.....
Cat
 
Sounds like the same nonsense in the archery cult RE: compounds vs crossbow vs longbow vs recurve....................................SSDD
 
Keep 'em Together

I have two T/C Renegades (50 and 54), a T/C Hawken (50), and a T/C Omega (50).

I vote for T/C forum! (just kidding).

I use Goex, Pyrodex, and 777. Roundballs, conicals and sabots. No. 11 caps, 209 primers, and small rifle primers in a Hornet conversion breech plug.

Funny, all my guns need to be loaded, primed, shot and cleaned the same way.

To me they are all just muzzleloaders.

I don't know about other provinces but Ontario doesn't have a "traditional" season. It has a "muzzleloader" season. One size fits all.

I use my muzzleloaders during regular guns season as well as muzzleloader only season. I've carried my 54 Renegade loaded with roundball during regular rifle/shotgun/muzzleloader season and I've carried my Omega loaded with sabot during muzzleloader season. Neither the deer or I see much difference.

Keep em together as I enjoy reading about anything that loads from the muzzle.

Have fun.
 
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