In response to post made in another thread.

Yes, Thanks to the OP for posting this. This should be required reading for all persons who shoot rifles, especially new shooters. This is an opportunity to learn for another persons mistake so this doesnt happen to you !

That is the whole purpose of accident investigations.

I will be saving these pictures to show others at my club.
 
xring_assassin said:
Agreed.

Why post crap like this? It's going to be hard to get insurance as gun owners soon if people post garbage like this. Admit you made a big mistake (if you live)...buy another gun and STFU don't post it on internet for anti's and insurance companies to use as fuel on the fire against gun owners.

Threads like this should all be deleted for the common good of all gun owners.

if ya can't say something nice don't say nothin' at all! And dont post it on Internet either!!

And I have a strong background in metallurgy/non destructive testing...surely I'm not the only one thinking something is "off" with those photo's.
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Look, there were witnesses and the guy was hospitalized .Obviously this was an actual real event and not staged.
You may not appreciate it but I think most do as it sends a wake up call to all of us to be extra careful.
 
xring_assassin said:
Agreed.

Why post crap like this? It's going to be hard to get insurance as gun owners soon if people post garbage like this. Admit you made a big mistake (if you live)...buy another gun and STFU don't post it on internet for anti's and insurance companies to use as fuel on the fire against gun owners.

Threads like this should all be deleted for the common good of all gun owners.

if ya can't say something nice don't say nothin' at all! And dont post it on Internet either!!

And I have a strong background in metallurgy/non destructive testing...surely I'm not the only one thinking something is "off" with those photo's.
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I for one appreciate things like this. For me it is a good reminder to not be complacent while shooting and handloading.
 
358 said:
So in this case, had this been a Rem. both bullets would have exited the muzzle??

I suspect Savage has seen these pics, and will be doing some more destructive testing. The wsm cart. are running extreme pressure to begin with so screw ups are bound to more horrific.

I had some pics of an 870 that a 20 ga. shell was chambered ahead of a 12. The gun was destroyed and youngster had some shrapnel in his forehead, and bloody fingers on his left hand, but nothing serious.

If nothing else, this shows the need for good glasses. Mark
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Pretty hard to predict what pressure curve was involved but sometimes a barrel will burst. A split barrel may or may not destroy an action, lots of possibilities.

Savage I am certain will not be doing any more testing. The failure of the firearm when subjected to this type of excessive pressure would be expected.

I re-read the OP comment to make sure we were not too far off his topic. The Rem will not need to bleed off gas because it contains it. If the gas makes it past the bolt nose either it was not enough to bend it out and seal the chamber or it was so great it blew the nose and barell end apart and escaped towards your face down both raceways. The odds of the latter are extreme, by the time pressure is high enough to blow the nose and recess the chamber splits open and the action along with it. The Savage originally had the same nose but changed it. With the front baffle of the Savage, gas and debris is blocked and this causes a pressure back up in the lugs area. If the gas leakage is extreme and too much presure builds in the lug area the action will let go but the idea is that this release is not at nor towards your face. Note in the pics that the Savage front baffle is missing. It is a sintered metal and shatters when this event occurs. I have not determined if the shattering is intentional but suspect it is due to part production methods. The rear baffle also stops gas and debris from exiting the rear of the action and travelling towards your face.
 
I for one am not arguing the fact that most modern rifle manufactures are bound by a regulation to make a safe and reliable product and that some manufacturers may in fact exceed these requirements either by chiice or by coincidence. However having a background in metallurgy and fabricating it seem to me that based on the photos and not actualy seeing the results first hand that the barrel faired the better of the worst. At first glance It would seem that the bullet may have travelled a very short distance from the chamber. This alone could explain the catastrophic failure of the fire arm as the presures would be astronomical in such a small volume. One should know before making assumptions as to which manufacturer could or would handle such a devistating event if the loads that were developed were above what could be considered safe. If the variables were to be replicated with different rifles being a Savage or a totally different manufacturer would the results be the same. The other thing that seemed evident was, where the action failed looks to me like it may have been a cast material the was machined to tolerance, and perhaps was a week spot due to imperfections in either the casting proceedure or the parent metal itself. I for one would hesitate to make assumptions based on a series of photos as they are somewhat inconclusive to what actually caused that action to fail in the manner it did. However that being said I appreciate the post as I consider myself to be a vary safe shooter but do become complacent at time and need a reminder of how dangerous this sport can be if not checked and rechecked. I am reminded of the fact that everyone needs a little refresher once in awhile every time I spend time at the range.
As for the young shooters who were involved in this terrible accident we are all hoping they have a quick and full recovery. Keep in mind that the gun owner although may not have any physical wounds he is most likely suffering emotionally.
 
The so called gunsmith who stated, "The least expensive rifles that I've seen shoot well are Savage, plus the bolts are designed to prevent overpresure from getting to the shooter.(unlike Remmies which do didly squat to protect you if you rupture a case.)" does not know anything about design. The 700 happens to be the strongest, safest 2 lug action made. No other 2 lug action will handle a catastrophic case failure as well, or prevent a catastrophic case failure as well as the 700.

Many years ago I saw a .303 British fired in a 7mm Rem Mag 700 rifle. The bolt could not be opened after firing. I removed the barrel and removed the case... it appeared to be a short brass belted case... but the head stamp stated .303 British. The superior design of the 700 prevented this case from rupturing... and the .303 bullet had exited the barrel. I re installed the barrel and the headspace was perfect and the rifle unharmed. That incident sold me on the soundness of the 700 extractor system and the action.
 
Machinist said:
The rifle that blew up at our club was a .270 wsm, The fellow was a guest shooter and new to shooting, he fired the first round and did not see a hit on the target and being inexperienced thought he a simply missed so he chambered another and the pictures tell the story , Last i heard besides the facial injuries its not looking good for his eye , but time as they say heals things so lets hope for the best for the shooter.
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Can anyone post whether or not he was wearing shooting glasses? I wish the guy well, I just want to know if his eye was damaged even while wearing proper shooting glasses.
 
Hey gus just remember where, Savage, Remigton, Winchester, Marlin, etc,etc,etc. ALL buy their steel from !!! THE LOWEST BIDDER !!!!! All steel has imperfections in it due to manufacturing. There will always be something that breaks, or blows up on every make and model of everything that is made from steel. Look at cars and truck same thing happens with them. Knowing this is what will save your face or your life !!! SHOOT SAFE, ANY DOUBTS IN AMMO, ACTION, SOUNDS, CHECK THE FRIGGIN BARREL SO THIS DOESNT HAPPEN ! Its never the guns fault always the user !!
 
savage.3006 said:
Hey gus just remember where, Savage, Remigton, Winchester, Marlin, etc,etc,etc. ALL buy their steel from !!! THE LOWEST BIDDER !!!!! All steel has imperfections in it due to manufacturing. There will always be something that breaks, or blows up on every make and model of everything that is made from steel. Look at cars and truck same thing happens with them. Knowing this is what will save your face or your life !!! SHOOT SAFE, ANY DOUBTS IN AMMO, ACTION, SOUNDS, CHECK THE FRIGGIN BARREL SO THIS DOESNT HAPPEN ! Its never the guns fault always the user !!
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Whatever helps you sleep at night. Doesn't it make you feel a little uneasy that every time you squeeze that trigger on your savage you could be one shot closer to a bolt in the face. :p
 
Bigdonkey said:
I for one am not arguing the fact that most modern rifle manufactures are bound by a regulation to make a safe and reliable product and that some manufacturers may in fact exceed these requirements either by chiice or by coincidence. However having a background in metallurgy and fabricating it seem to me that based on the photos and not actualy seeing the results first hand that the barrel faired the better of the worst. At first glance It would seem that the bullet may have travelled a very short distance from the chamber. This alone could explain the catastrophic failure of the fire arm as the presures would be astronomical in such a small volume. One should know before making assumptions as to which manufacturer could or would handle such a devistating event if the loads that were developed were above what could be considered safe. If the variables were to be replicated with different rifles being a Savage or a totally different manufacturer would the results be the same. The other thing that seemed evident was, where the action failed looks to me like it may have been a cast material the was machined to tolerance, and perhaps was a week spot due to imperfections in either the casting proceedure or the parent metal itself. I for one would hesitate to make assumptions based on a series of photos as they are somewhat inconclusive to what actually caused that action to fail in the manner it did. However that being said I appreciate the post as I consider myself to be a vary safe shooter but do become complacent at time and need a reminder of how dangerous this sport can be if not checked and rechecked. I am reminded of the fact that everyone needs a little refresher once in awhile every time I spend time at the range.
As for the young shooters who were involved in this terrible accident we are all hoping they have a quick and full recovery. Keep in mind that the gun owner although may not have any physical wounds he is most likely suffering emotionally.
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Savage receivers are machined from barstock.
The only major manufacturer to cast receivers - and bolts - is Ruger.
 
All i can say is that accidents happen. If that had been a Rem. action there would be 25 pages of comments after the great trigger scare. Looks like a bad one and i hope the shooter recovers.
 
This is missleading on one very important account ...it was stated "unobstructed barrel" than says "squib load, bullet lodged in barrel" a bullet lodged in a barrel is an Obstructed barrel every day! Would love to see a side by side torture test ! & in the end ...this is a shooter issue of not paying attention...
 
Hmm diggin up the old stuff eh ? Haha

But he say AN obstructed not UN obstructed

But you are right about this could have been avoided by the shooter being a bit more carful .. The pop of a squib is very easy to distinguish from the bang of a live / properly firing round
 
A bit off topic but a fellow in UK put a full load of pistol powder in his 308 Quadlock behind a heavy bullet, shooting what was called "Match Rifle" at Bisley. Obvious that he grabbed the wrong can of powder. After the barrel was unscrewed the action was sent for another proof and then was back in service, no damage done other than to fuse the case into the chamber and a new pair of tighty whities.
 
The failure of the action would suggest improper heat treatment of the action body. The rupture of the front receiver ring is understandable for the event . However the failure of the rear receiver ring is questionable. All failed areas appear to exhibit brittle fractures.
I would suggest having a metallurgist evaluate the action and compare its hardness to Savage specifications.
 
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