IN-STOCK NOW: Type 81 Picatinny Side Mounts + LMG Compensators + RU MIL PK06 Red Dots
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I just installed mine. Took awhile because I was being Dumb. Once I stopped being dumb it was pretty easy. With the vortex I have on I end up with a kind of lower jaw rest. The right side safety is very stiff like others have mentioned. I would not want to have to actuate it quickly and or under stress. The mount feels solid enough and is only minorly wonky (the whole rifle is pretty wonky to begin with). I am happy with it, just need a nicer optic. Here are some pics.
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It looks hella wonky to me.
Mount is visibly canted forward (which also answer one of my earlier questions), but is looks like the picatinny rail on top leans left. Don't know if that's because of the rail or the mount itself, but it's pretty fugly. Even I was able to do better, and it's 100% a bubba-tier job (see attached image below). I got my sidemount to be level with the receiver and barrel no problem (only the barrel leaning a bit right stops it from being perfectly in line).
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Unfortunately, TI's rail DOES NOT have a central recess/channel to allow positive locking of many sidemounts, including the one you've shown. The rail could be modified, or you could remove the keyed-cylinder-thingy (the bit with a bend in the middle) on the locking mechanism itself to allow it to fit on the rail. I got an NPZ Universal AK mount and its got the exact same locking mechanism.
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Sharing my experience....
I read everyone else's comments/install tips first and watched the video a bunch of times. It was easy to remove the safety and the purple metal piece (sorry, not sure the name). I checked the fit with the new pins on the purple piece - neither went on smoothly so I took a round file and very slowly filed the two slots in the purple piece until they fit snugly. Pushing the two pins out from the left side wasn't any issue - the new pins fit fine. Had to wiggle them a bit to get them to poke out the right side but no issues. Getting the purple piece on the new pins, even though I pre-fit them took longer than expected. Was pushing the pins in/out fractions of a mm until finally the front one and then the back one were on. Right handed safety was no issue and is (to me) just as smooth on the right side as it was on the left side.
Mounted the shortest scope I have that is not currently on a rifle (2.5x20mm) and took it to the 25 yard range in Windsor ON. Had to crank the windage almost all the way left to get it on paper - now I'm a bit worried that my rail is crooked somehow and 100m target will be an issue. I guess we'll see.
Overall, not a big deal and I like the look and feel. The loudener doesn't appear to make a difference for me except make it look, IDK, "cool"? Shooting was from a bench at 25 yards with Barnaul lead-core ammo.
I read everyone else's comments/install tips first and watched the video a bunch of times. It was easy to remove the safety and the purple metal piece (sorry, not sure the name). I checked the fit with the new pins on the purple piece - neither went on smoothly so I took a round file and very slowly filed the two slots in the purple piece until they fit snugly. Pushing the two pins out from the left side wasn't any issue - the new pins fit fine. Had to wiggle them a bit to get them to poke out the right side but no issues. Getting the purple piece on the new pins, even though I pre-fit them took longer than expected. Was pushing the pins in/out fractions of a mm until finally the front one and then the back one were on. Right handed safety was no issue and is (to me) just as smooth on the right side as it was on the left side.
Mounted the shortest scope I have that is not currently on a rifle (2.5x20mm) and took it to the 25 yard range in Windsor ON. Had to crank the windage almost all the way left to get it on paper - now I'm a bit worried that my rail is crooked somehow and 100m target will be an issue. I guess we'll see.
Overall, not a big deal and I like the look and feel. The loudener doesn't appear to make a difference for me except make it look, IDK, "cool"? Shooting was from a bench at 25 yards with Barnaul lead-core ammo.
Tips if your new RH safety is stiff:
-Check for burrs in spring plate
-Make sure spring plate is completely seated on the new pins
-Debur slots in spring plate also
-If the safety is tight with pins loosened, press spring plate down while tightening the pins
-Check for burrs in spring plate
-Make sure spring plate is completely seated on the new pins
-Debur slots in spring plate also
-If the safety is tight with pins loosened, press spring plate down while tightening the pins
As mentioned in the description, downward cant is due to alignment of the rail with actual POI. During testing it was revealed that if the rail was perfectly level that some optics might not have enough elevation adjustment to meet POI
There is slight left offset to ensure rail is mounted as low as possible without hitting the dust cover or receiver. Left offsets are common among receiver sidemounts, some optics in the AK world are offset over 1.5" left.
There may be some appearance of left cant however the rail is level with the trunion. The top dust cover may not be level with trunion. If rail is not level with trunion, check to ensure adapter plate was properly tightened and re-check installation, being sure to follow all points including the removal of burrs. Please also check that the picatinny rail itself is tight, this can be adjusted via adjustment nut
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That makes more sense, thank you for explaining that. My biggest concern was running out of space to adjust the zero on my optic due to the leftward-canting appearance, especially considering that another poster mentioned that they had to really adjust the windage to just get it on paper. If it's level with the trunnion then it shouldn't be a relevant issue, or at least I hope it won't be.
Well, I've yet to see any picture taken from the back square on that show something the pic rail being level with the receiver (lateral axis). Some are worse than others, that for sure, and this IS a pretty easy thing to fix.
Normally, pre-dropped rails have something like 0.3 degree in forward cant, and are really hard to spot, but this is looking like a whole degree, or more. Considering most people would reasonably shoot at or for less than 300 meters (only after which drop becomes a significant factor for 7.62x39), I think the forward cant is too much. Half a degree would effectively join POI and POA at 300 meters (125grain at 2350fps out the muzzle has a drop just short of 30 inches for example).
Oddballs aside, side rails on AKs usually line up perfectly with the bore, and mounts are squared.
In any case, I'll be waiting for more pictures. If anyone wants to put this to rest, a clear picture from the back (with the dust cover off) would be appreciated.
Reddit user Raunchy Rhino created a lefty friendly non-quick remove optic block for the TI scope mount. -> https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/pcwkf9/type_81_optics_mount_is_right_hand_only_wanna_bet/
Perhaps TI could make something similar for left handed people to user temporarily until their own left hand quick detach solution is ready.
Perhaps TI could make something similar for left handed people to user temporarily until their own left hand quick detach solution is ready.
The original design was perfectly level with receiver. In testing, not all optics would work. It was intentionally changed to current set-up to ensure all optics would work. This built in cant was mentioned in description
The mount I received is indeed canted and didn't exactly inspire much confidence initially... nevertheless, threw on my trusty TRS25 and headed to the range today. In practice I didn't notice the cant at all, mount felt sturdy and shooting with a red dot vice the iron sights is a godsend. Only issue I had was that after a couple hundred or so rounds the mounting block loosened up a bit, however I'll blame that on not torquing it especially tight and omitting the use of a thread lock, which has since been rectified. Safety was super hard to turn immediately after installing, but after shooting a bit, rotates smoothly like the original piece.
All in all I'm happy with it so far, I have a 1-4 optic on order and I'm curious to see how it performs compared to a red dot.
All in all I'm happy with it so far, I have a 1-4 optic on order and I'm curious to see how it performs compared to a red dot.
My two cents - as TI describes, the rail mounts on with noticeable cant, elevation and offset, (X, Y, Z axis alignment) and does not in any way line up with the iron sights - for me this means red dot or single plain optic only.. I suppose a 1-4x might work for anything 300yrds or less where you can compensate for the lack of X, Y, Z adjustment of the rail, but I wouldn't promote using any kind of magnifying optics with this adapter for these obvious reasons. To cut down on some of the material I may machine off some of the mount and drill a few holes in it for weight savings, considering I'll only be using a dot mount.
The dot does go on and is pretty slick compared to the ol' irons I'll give it that, and should bump up my re-sale value.
The dot does go on and is pretty slick compared to the ol' irons I'll give it that, and should bump up my re-sale value.
