Where do you get that from?? NO personal insult I said the C1s were clapped out and well past their prime,not that in their day they were not effective.
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Increasing Small Arms Lethality in Afghanistan
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Where do you get that from?? NO personal insult I said the C1s were clapped out and well past their prime,not that in their day they were not effective.
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As I understand it, from the days of Thor the Caveman, shot/spear etc placement has always been the most critical. It usually doesn't matter if you shoot a man in the head with a .308 compared to a .22 at 5 yards, they tend to have the same "eliminating" effects, so it would seem. For hunting, the same idea. Pie-plate concept. The mammalian brain is the least redundant, most susceptable organ in the body, heck it's even up on a pedestal (the neck and head). I understand hitting a moving head is very very hard, and thus the chest cavity is the next major target, all the same. Shot placement is critical.
I got it from your posts, had you said "Our C1's were worn out" I would have agreed with you. However the wording of your post implied that the FN family of rifles was a design unfit for combat, which is way I replied as such.
I do agree that most of our rifles were worn out or badly cared for. Still think they should have held onto a bunch of them though, cost of storing well preserved rifles is minimal.
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Tell you what, lets have someone who has fired both guns in anger beyond 300m tell us what works and why, rather than opinionated paper punchers (myself included) pondorousely pontificate partial parameters of powerful projectiles. Say that three time fast.
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I think I just broke the "p" on my keyboard.No it wasn't hence the destruction of the stocks being held,I'm sure you have wonderful memories of pristine FNs lining racks but the weapons that were stored were not in anything near good condition.
I have seen the effects of both 7.62 and 5,56mm on the bad guys neither is pretty and both are quite effective, dead is dead, neither round made someone more dead.
Talking to friends in the Role 3 Hospital at KAF, there are a lot more folks being killed from 5.56mm than 7.62x39/7.62x54 hits,even in shots against unarmored targets (Non NATO troops). All projectiles can kill,the only thing that matters is hitting the vital area of the target, not what you are shooting at it.
Tell you what, lets have someone who has fired both guns in anger beyond 300m tell us what works and why, rather than opinionated paper punchers (myself included) pondorousely pontificate partial parameters of powerful projectiles. Say that three time fast.
Been there done that, no difference dead is dead.
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*nods* Agreed Reaper. Shot placement and vital organs.
Only in Canada can packing rifles in cosmoline and crates, become expensive. Sheesh the racks of depots I saw were cluttered with stuff from Korea and WWII. I got out in 87, many of the rifles I saw were in good shape back then, although our C2's were in pretty bad shape.
There was an issue with water getting at the rifles or some such thing, from what I was told most had severe rust and pitting as well as damage to the storage facility itself. Second info hand but reliable.
angrysoldier
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our 556 is not effictive under 2400 feet per second. it was designed to tumble and fragment and the round has a hard time doing this under 2400 feet per second. from a soldier who has seen enough!
The round was not designed to tumble or fragment, the fragmentation is a result of the indentation of the cannelure of the round creating a weak area in the jacket of the round,as the round passes through flesh it begins to yaw, when the forces of this yaw become to great the jacket splits and breaks apart. It is an manufacturing artifact required to hold the round in the casing (in simple terms the crimp of the casing is done along the cannelure)As for tumbling, lay off of the Military Channel for your info.
angrysoldier
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how about just using the 25mm 242 chain gun on them? good for 2200 meters!
The generally accepted velocity envelope is 2,700 fps and above for reliable fragmentation... not my numbers, Doctor Roberts'... and the projectiles were not "designed" to tumble... all FMJ bullets with the majority weight distribution aft will yaw on contact with "target" material... how soon after contact the yaw starts is the issue. When the lighter front end of the projectile "slows downs" on contact, the heavier aft portion of the round wants to pass it which induces yaw.
You should hit the books and learn your craft before spouting off here.
angrysoldier
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well reaper , im in the army a weapons tech, what do you do for a living? an armchair soldier? ive been there and done it and seen it with my own eyes. get an education or better yet join the army and then you too can spout off about what you know. i fix these weapons for a living i dont work at an office in toronto. as a matter of fact im going to the range tommorow to shoot some machine guns in 556. ill let you know how it goes.
Infantry, Reg Force 25yrs, 9 Operational tours, 2 in Afghanistan. How about you get back in your limited lane and stay there.
frenchyguy
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you been schooled son!
