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Does anyone know what the rules are for status indians hunting in another province? I live in BC and my friend in Alberta wants to hunt moose next season. He's a licensed gun owners and had his hunting license. I'm just curious to know how it works being an indian and being exempt from licensing. :confused:
 
You will know that as an aboriginal hunter you are only permitted to hunt in in a traditionally used area. (Page 7)

As a BC hunter you also know that only BC residents qualify for limited entry permits.

I am not a lawyer but seeing as your friend is an aboriginal non-resident of BC wishing to hunt outside of his traditionally used area then to hunt moose he would have to follow the same rules as a non-indigenous person and would have to be accompanied by a licensed BC hunter who has applied for and holds a permit to accompany. And then the two could hunt moose in a general open season area.

The permit to accompany will only be issued to someone who has held a BC hunting licence for three of the previous five years. (page 9 of the synopsis)
 
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Sorry, what I meant was what are my requirements to hunt in Alberta. Outside of my traditional area I have to follow the regulations but without a license and tags in BC. I'm wondering what happens when I hunt outside of my province. Thank you for your response. My friend is not native but would like me to join him in Alberta

I've had my hunting license since I was 14 (32 now) and was told to stop buying it last time I tried
 
It’s pretty easy actually. You apply for a WIN number and follow that procedure. Your friend will get a Hunter Host permit which will allow you to apply for non-resident draws or purchase OTC tags. The caveat being it’s intended that you hunt together. Look up how Hunter Host works on the AlbertaRELM. Non-residents can only apply to antlered draws or purchase undersubscribed . I did see an OTC for antlered moose archery this year but didn’t look further as I was out for mule deer. Odds are you’ll have to purchase priority for a few years before you are successful in a draw. It’s only $3.40 to enter each draw so it’s a good idea to build mule deer and elk priority. White-tailed is OTC in most zones.
 
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Yeah, check out the Alberta Regs, they have a Licensing System that is smooth, pain free and pretty easy to navigate through, and isn't a rip-off, price wise.

BC could learn a lot!

All their stuff is posted online, and you are going to have to go through their Regs to see what does and does not affect you hunting there, and if you can even accompany a Indian participating in a trad hunt, if you are not from that area.

Or if they bother to go that far...

Realistically, that is going to be the key issue, I think. Some of the Provinces specify that a licensed hunter is not allowed to accompany on a Traditional Rights hunt. As a whitey, that was as far as I ever looked in to it. As an out of area Indian, you are probably traveling on ground that the guys writing the rules, never considered.
 
Thanks everyone. It can be pretty ####ing confusing some times. Different websites saying this and that.

It’s not so bad once you look into it. I’ve used this system to hunt with my uncle who lives in Alberta a number of times. Unfortunately, some zones there is a lot of competition so it takes a few years of points to draw a tag. If you look up last years draws you can see how many points it took to draw in each zone. You can also look up how many special licenses are in each WMU for any species to get an idea on your odds.
 
It’s not so bad once you look into it. I’ve used this system to hunt with my uncle who lives in Alberta a number of times. Unfortunately, some zones there is a lot of competition so it takes a few years of points to draw a tag. If you look up last years draws you can see how many points it took to draw in each zone. You can also look up how many special licenses are in each WMU for any species to get an idea on your odds.

Yep! Some truth, above!

I cashed in a Priority 12 Moose draw, to be able to take a moose in my area (which really only needed a Pri 7!), but I thought I was out of there sooner than I left! That was, 12 years of putting in for the draw, without expecting to be drawn!

Before that, we used to drive way up North, to be able to take advantage of the few Over the Counter Moose Tags at the time!
 
That’s the downside of the system! We used seven points for our mule deer draw this year… I have priority seven on Trophy Antelope so only four or five more years there.

The only undersubscribed I saw was 536 & 537. That’s a bit more north than I’m prepared to go without the proper gear.
 
Once you have a WIN # download the app also, it’s very helpful. I think all provinces/ territories I’ve hunted can learn from Alberta’s system. Chances are if you’re used to hunting BC you’ll find the draw wait times worth it for most AB draws…
 
Not sure how it is out there, but in Ontario, if you are status in a particular treaty area, you can apply to a Band in another treaty area for permission to hunt in their territory. For instance, my buddy is a member of the Robinson Superior Treaty, and he moved up my way, which is treaty #9. He applied to one of the local bands for permission and was granted a letter.
 
Phone any F&W office in Alberta, preferably in the area you’d like to hunt. Even the support staff are knowledgeable about the requirements. They’re alway polite, friendly and easy to deal with. Note the name of whoever you speak with for future reference. One of the easier agencies to deal with, at least in my experience.
 
You need to check on the regulations surrounding a non status person, hunting with a status person. Basically, in Alberta, a non status person can't assist a status person to exercise his hunting rights as a status person. He can't spot for you, call for you, push bush for you, or in any way assist you, until the animal is dead. And he can't take any parts of any animals that you kill.
 
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It may depend on the band, tribe, region, and level of status. A friend of mine is Ontario born and Algonquin with full status. He lives in Alberta and has hunted with me for years without any additional licenses or permits. He hunts with me during the regulated seasons as he prefers to be able to hunt with me while I am able to hunt legally. Once in a while I will join him on a moose hunt that is outside of my usual hunting seasons and so my rifles stay at home. We have encountered provincial F&W and federal COs while hunting and they have checked his status while confirming my licenses and he has never encountered any problems.
 
It may depend on the band, tribe, region, and level of status. A friend of mine is Ontario born and Algonquin with full status. He lives in Alberta and has hunted with me for years without any additional licenses or permits. He hunts with me during the regulated seasons as he prefers to be able to hunt with me while I am able to hunt legally. Once in a while I will join him on a moose hunt that is outside of my usual hunting seasons and so my rifles stay at home. We have encountered provincial F&W and federal COs while hunting and they have checked his status while confirming my licenses and he has never encountered any problems.

This ^^^ is the best post so far in this conversation.

Right wing, are you full status first nations or Metis'... there is a difference in Ab. First Nations is a treaty scenario that is totally under federal jurisdiction and is "court sanctioned" as such....provincial hunting regs have no bearing on you or what you do and borders are also of no consequence from my understanding and watching the proceedings back when this was run through the courts. Metis are different from person to person because some come from a treaty parent and some don't. it is a confusing situation to say the least. metis have to apply for a hunter/gatherer status and it will be valid in an specified area...and you dont apply to the province, you make application to the Metis assn. I have a very close friend who just went through the process and that is how she explained it. She isnt allowed to kill an animal close to her home of 35 yrs ( 200 miles south from her birth place) but she can hunt anything 600 miles north west of her birthplace because it is in "the northern district". And she can have her "white" husband with her at any time to help with every aspect of the hunt except pulling the trigger.
 
This ^^^ is the best post so far in this conversation.

Right wing, are you full status first nations or Metis'... there is a difference in Ab. First Nations is a treaty scenario that is totally under federal jurisdiction and is "court sanctioned" as such....provincial hunting regs have no bearing on you or what you do and borders are also of no consequence from my understanding and watching the proceedings back when this was run through the courts. Metis are different from person to person because some come from a treaty parent and some don't. it is a confusing situation to say the least. metis have to apply for a hunter/gatherer status and it will be valid in an specified area...and you dont apply to the province, you make application to the Metis assn. I have a very close friend who just went through the process and that is how she explained it. She isnt allowed to kill an animal close to her home of 35 yrs ( 200 miles south from her birth place) but she can hunt anything 600 miles north west of her birthplace because it is in "the northern district". And she can have her "white" husband with her at any time to help with every aspect of the hunt except pulling the trigger.

I'm a registered Metis (in bc) and status indian. It's a bit of a cluster fook. Thanks for the replies everyone.


If anyone wants an explanation my grandfather is Metis so I applied for that in BC 20 years ago and my mom is a status indian which was recently passed to me. The Metis line goes back to red river Saskatchewan so I wouldn't have any Metis rights in AB even if I lived there, I think.
 
Didn’t BC recently allow indigenous hunters from USA to hunt without restriction

“ OTTAWA -- The Supreme Court of Canada says an American Indigenous man has a constitutionally protected right to hunt in British Columbia given his people's historic ties to the region.

The decision today comes in the case of Richard Lee Desautel, a U.S. citizen who was charged with hunting without a licence after shooting an elk near Castlegar, B.C.

Desautel defended his actions on the basis he had an Aboriginal right to hunt protected by section 35(1) of Canada's Constitution Act.”
Copied from CTV news article
 
Didn’t BC recently allow indigenous hunters from USA to hunt without restriction

“ OTTAWA -- The Supreme Court of Canada says an American Indigenous man has a constitutionally protected right to hunt in British Columbia given his people's historic ties to the region.

The decision today comes in the case of Richard Lee Desautel, a U.S. citizen who was charged with hunting without a licence after shooting an elk near Castlegar, B.C.

Desautel defended his actions on the basis he had an Aboriginal right to hunt protected by section 35(1) of Canada's Constitution Act.”
Copied from CTV news article

It's more complicated than it seems. He said he was from a tribe that previously existed in that territory that now covers part of BC and northern Idaho (I think it is) that governments declared "extiguished." He was out to prove that his group still existed and claimed hunting rights in traditional territory across the border. It was not a carte blanche for U.S. indigenous people to hunt in B.C.

https://biv.com/article/2019/05/us-aboriginals-can-hunt-legally-traditional-territory-canada


The news story:

United States’ aboriginal people can legally hunt in Canada if the land on which they are hunting is in the traditional territory of their people, the BC Court of Appeal has affirmed.

“Claimants who are resident or citizens of the United States can be ‘aboriginal peoples of Canada,’” Justice Daphne Smith ruled in the unanimous May 2 decision.

In denying a government appeal, the court has also affirmed that the Sinixt First Nation continues to have a presence in Canada after Ottawa declared it extinct in 1956.

Richard Lee Desautel is a member of the Lakes Tribe of the Colville Confederated Tribes in Washington State and a U.S. citizen. He was charged with hunting without a licence and hunting big game while not being a resident of British Columbia. after killing a cow elk in the Arrow Lakes area near Castlegar in 2010.

In March 2017, a provincial court judge judge acquitted Desautel. He defended his actions saying he was exercising his Canadian constitutional aboriginal right to hunt for ceremonial purposes in the traditional territory of his Sinixt ancestors.

That territory straddled the current U.S.-Canadian border.

The government had argued Desautel could not hold a constitutionally protected aboriginal right to hunt in Canada because he did not belong to a group that was an “Aboriginal peoples of Canada.”

In acquitting Desautel in December 2017, the trial judge ruled that historical records referred to the Sinixt interchangeably with “the Lakes or the Arrow Lakes people,” and there was “a clear and ancient link between the Sinixt and the Arrow Lakes region.”

And, the appeal court judges agreed.
 
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Post above I think sums it up. Too lazy/tired to look but I think there was a case recently where an indigenous person from Ontario(east anyway) was pushing to hunt in Alberta or BC and the deal was no, only traditional territory. How would you explain traditional rights for an Ontario area native to hunt in the west???
 
It may depend on the band, tribe, region, and level of status. A friend of mine is Ontario born and Algonquin with full status. He lives in Alberta and has hunted with me for years without any additional licenses or permits. He hunts with me during the regulated seasons as he prefers to be able to hunt with me while I am able to hunt legally. Once in a while I will join him on a moose hunt that is outside of my usual hunting seasons and so my rifles stay at home. We have encountered provincial F&W and federal COs while hunting and they have checked his status while confirming my licenses and he has never encountered any problems.

You would be charged in Ontario.
 
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