In Alberta, a non treaty person can't in any way assist a treaty person to exercise their hunting rights. The non treaty can't spot, call, track, or do anything to assist, until the animal is dead, and they can't take any of the animal.
Indigenous hunting
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In Alberta, a non treaty person can't in any way assist a treaty person to exercise their hunting rights. The non treaty can't spot, call, track, or do anything to assist, until the animal is dead, and they can't take any of the animal.
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Well this was refreshing to read. A bunch of reasoned discussion, honest opinions, and decent advice for someone who asked what may be a 'controversial" question in some circles. Restores my faith in the good nature of Canadian hunters. Thanks All!
I appreciate the answers. I phoned a conservation office in grande prairie after trying a few other people that didn't know. He said as a status indian I can hunt Alberta being a non resident. He said seasons and bag limits don't apply on crown land. Seemed like a very nice guy and explained it well. I probably won't respond to the thread anymore, but I hope it was informative to everyone and possibly helped some lurkers get an answer. I could have just phoned in the first place but I like to see people talking.
I'll probably drive over next season to meet up with friends.
I'll probably drive over next season to meet up with friends.
Same in Ontario, except that the cooperation cannot begin after the animal is dead either... we had a local non-status skidder operator charged because he dragged out several moose for status indigenous hunters.
In Alberta, non status can assist a treaty person, once the animal is found dead, but they can't accept any of the animal. Apparently once the animal is dead, Alberta doesn't consider recovery of the animal to be hunting.
billbmcleod
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- Back very close to Bruce County
I don't have an answer to your status/non status question but it would be nice if all the hunters in a province followed the same rules. That is not the situation and never will be. CO's may charge natives with infrcactions but they never get to court and as a result usually go with warnings. Unless the member does something that really upsets the elders in the band it is handled internally and that is as far as it goes. A quite a few years ago I asked a CO about hunting moose with a status native friend and he said " Do Not" as if the s#it hits the fan it will be me (non native) that will be charged. Play cards and drink beer later in th evening but don't hunt with.
Bill
Bill
Y'know, some days I wish I qualified for a "Visa Of The Woods" card, but for the most part, just don't care, when an Indian wants to go out and harvest food that they use. If it doesn't go to waste, I figure power to 'em! One of the guys that I know in my area, does maybe 12-15 deer a year. he harvests one, his family eats it, he goes gets another, and I have no real problem with that!
I do wish that there was more effort to track down and prosecute the ones that are out there either loading trucks up for resale, or, as witnessed a few years back, a guy getting out of his truck, taking a half dozen shots at a moose, and then getting back in and driving away, as it did not drop where it was, apparently. (Hudson Bay SK, if it matters!)
Guys that waste the resources, esp., those that I am not actually allowed a chance to harvest (salmon, in my case, esp.), because they got 'dibs', deserve to have their fingers worked over with a framing hammer!
billbmcleod
CGN frequent flyer
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- Back very close to Bruce County
The same way as traditional hunting with high powered rifles and fishing with tugs as well as traveling around on snowmobiles, ATV's and pickups. That's just the way it is and it is not going backwards!
Interestingly, everytime I have had a CO make this statement to me over the years, in both Alberta and Saskatchewan, I have requested them to provide this regulation in writing, so that I could read and understand it properly, and to date I have not received it after the fact, or have they been able to produce the regulation upon request.
To be fair, I haven't taken the time to look for it in within the respective Wildlife Acts and Regulations of either province. But since I made the requests, they should be able to provide the information. Until they do, I will consider it as hearsay.
The information that they did provide in writing regarding status indians from other areas hunting in AB and SK, is that there is a Natural Resource Transfer Agreements in both provinces that allows status indians from other treaty areas to hunt game on Crown land anywhere in AB and SK for sustenance and ceremonial purposes, regardless of species, season, gender or size requirement. Private land still requires written permission from the landowner. Hunting restrictions such as closed areas (e.g., mines, National Parks) do apply.
I haven't found it in writing either, yet. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense anyway. Are they saying I can't go hunt with my wife when she has her license and tags during the season? I can't teach my sons to hunt either that are non status? #### that.
Yep, almost proud of the guys posting here. Seen too many threads like this turn into ####shows
I learned everything I know about hunting from First Nations people. These laws forbidding assisting eachother are not enforced in areas with significant indigenous populations in my experience, that’s all I will say
Interesting enough, I have read a book that was written by a fellow I knew as a kid, in which he mentions some unholy hell from on high, when a RCMP guy got invited out fishing with the local Indians near Lytton BC, in the post WW2 era. Hell broke loose when it was learned that he had taken a few swings with the dipnet, and had carried a sack of salmon up from the river, to where the vehicles were.
Author was a guy named Ron Purvis, he was in France, during WW2, wore a beard to cover the scar that he got when a German soldier kicked him in the face. He was also a Teacher at the residential School in Lytton, where he formed some long term associations with the various local Indian Bands, and was a friend of theirs as well as my family's. His version of what went on at the Residential Schools, does not match very well with the commonly accepted 'knowledge'!
https://49thshelf.com/Books/T/T-shama
If it wasn't there, it was in https://www.amazon.ca/When-Taught-S...efinements=p_27:ROBERT+SHEWARD&s=books&sr=1-2
In any case, it has been an issue since about the point that Indian Affairs started making different rules for their Charges.
Does anyone know what the rules are for status indians hunting in another province? I live in BC and my friend in Alberta wants to hunt moose next season. He's a licensed gun owners and had his hunting license. I'm just curious to know how it works being an indian and being exempt from licensing.
Look up shipman letter, in Ontario that’s what we use. It’s permission to hunt another’s TREATY AREA.(im part of the Robertson Huron treaty if I wanted to hunt northern Ontario I would need a permission letter from treaty 9 or treaty 3 to hunt their area) Also another thing to note look up your treaty that you belong to as everyone’s treaty they belong to is different. Meaning there was different agreements signed with the queen of England usually giving up land for this or that hence why we live in reserves but that’s all laid out in the treaty. People from the Williams treaty lost their rights to hunt and fish but regained them in 2012. Just goes to show everyone’s treaty deal is different being native isnt across the board in Canada. But you being from B.C. You might belong to treaty 8? Look up treaty 8 on the map it extends into Alberta into Saskatchewan and even into NWT. If your treaty is like my treaty you can hunt in your treaty area again the boundaries would be laid out in your treaty you belong to.
Im usually pretty quiet on these natives subjects because of the racial remarks and racism that happens on CGN.…… P.M. me if you have any other questions.
Hey, reaper. I am a member of the toosey band west of Williams lake but I live about 5 hours away. I spoke with the chief on the phone today for the first time he told me to ask the local bands and see what they say or to come up there.
I forgot to add that I did get an answer for Alberta as well from an officer.
I forgot to add that I did get an answer for Alberta as well from an officer.
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I don't see anything in the BC Regulations that would accord with this. Hunting is defined in the regulations and being armed and having the intention to capture or kill wildlife is integral to that definition.
My take on this is a licenced hunter during a lawful season, fill your boots. Outside the established seasons, if unarmed I don't see how it is illegal to say tag along with binoculars, I doubt a serious argument could be made that an unarmed coach pototo is going to kill or capture a moose with their bare hands.
It is illegal to sell or barter Wildlife (except furbearers).
Context would matter but in Ontario that would be hunting.
If you were all there with binoculars and nobody was armed, watching animals that’s not hunting. If you’re there with your pal helping him or her find game, that’s hunting.
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What was the consensus ?
Yessir, 100% agree.
Just want to bash my head against the keyboard some days; but it's great to see guys stickin together when it counts.
