inexpensive starter shotgun?

The guns that I chose to have adjustable combs installed on fit quite well, but not quite perfect, so I wanted to fine tune them, to see if it would make a difference in my scores. I didn't really notice any significant difference in my scores after the combs were installed. Other shotguns that I shouldered were not even close to fitting, and a couple did not even have enough drop at comb despite the comb being adjustable. If the stock does not have enough drop at comb, it's not simply a matter of adding moleskin or duct tape, you actually need to remove material to make them fit, and with a cheap plastic stock, that isn't easy to do. As far as choosing a shotgun for clays, the odds of success drop off dramatically when the shotgun is not pointing where the shooter is looking, so why not choose a gun where the gun points as close as possible to where the shooter is looking, rather than just choosing a random gun, with no concern for how it fits?

As far as misses go, according to the scorecard, it's not a miss if the target breaks, and the difference between the target breaking or not when a decent shooter misses, is usually inches, especially with the small gauges.. Even clean rounds don't mean that the shooter was perfect they just mean that he was close enough.

Did you actually do POI testing on the shotguns before and after the comb install?

If you can reliably tell us how to get brakes on the fringes of our patterns those of us that actually compete will be all ears. Until then those that know will strive to shoot the hot core of the patterns rather than spray and pray.
 
Did you actually do POI testing on the shotguns before and after the comb install?

If you can reliably tell us how to get brakes on the fringes of our patterns those of us that actually compete will be all ears. Until then those that know will strive to shoot the hot core of the patterns rather than spray and pray.

What have "brakes" got to do with shooting clays? What I am saying is that you can't count on the pattern being perfectly centered for every single shot, and because you are shooting a pattern rather than a single projectile, it isn't required. If you look at the size of a pattern, you can place your pattern several inches off and still break a clay at 20 yards quite regularly. Have you never shot a clean round of skeet, while making a few breaks that make it obvious that your pattern was not centered on the clays? I have shot more than a few of those over the years, especially shooting the small gauges. Some days a person is smoking the clays, and some days you are making much less dramatic breaks, because you are off a bit, but you are still close enough to get away with it. And some days, you are off just a tiny bit more, and some of the targets just don't break. But no matter how good you are shooting, having a gun that fits you, and shoots where you are looking for you, is a huge asset, so why not get someone started with a shotgun that is at least close to fitting him, rather than just giving him a random shotgun, and hoping for the best.
 
What have "brakes" got to do with shooting clays? What I am saying is that you can't count on the pattern being perfectly centered for every single shot, and because you are shooting a pattern rather than a single projectile, it isn't required. If you look at the size of a pattern, you can place your pattern several inches off and still break a clay at 20 yards quite regularly. Have you never shot a clean round of skeet, while making a few breaks that make it obvious that your pattern was not centered on the clays? I have shot more than a few of those over the years, especially shooting the small gauges. Some days a person is smoking the clays, and some days you are making much less dramatic breaks, because you are off a bit, but you are still close enough to get away with it. And some days, you are off just a tiny bit more, and some of the targets just don't break. But no matter how good you are shooting, having a gun that fits you, and shoots where you are looking for you, is a huge asset, so why not get someone started with a shotgun that is at least close to fitting him, rather than just giving him a random shotgun, and hoping for the best.

Nice catch on the spelling mistake.

So you go purchases shotguns that don’t fit according to your advice that you give and you don’t know the POI before or after a comb is installed on not one but two guns that still don’t fit.

Congratulations on some 25 straight’s.
 
Nice catch on the spelling mistake.

So you go purchases shotguns that don’t fit according to your advice that you give and you don’t know the POI before or after a comb is installed on not one but two guns that still don’t fit.

Congratulations on some 25 straight’s.

I purchase guns that fit me as best as I can find, I don't just pick a make and model and hope for the best. And the guns that I had the adjustable combs installed on fit me very well, but they fit so close before the combs were installed, that it really didn't effect my scores very much. Once again, shotguns shoot patterns, so very small differences in fit, only effect the pattern placement very slightly, and it doesn't make a huge difference in how many targets you break. And no I don't shoot my shotguns at 13 yards to determine the POI, I pattern them at the distances that I most commonly shoot the gun at, and in no case, does that work out to 13 yards for me.
 
I purchase guns that fit me as best as I can find, I don't just pick a make and model and hope for the best. And the guns that I had the adjustable combs installed on fit me very well, but they fit so close before the combs were installed, that it really didn't effect my scores very much. Once again, shotguns shoot patterns, so very small differences in fit, only effect the pattern placement very slightly, and it doesn't make a huge difference in how many targets you break. And no I don't shoot my shotguns at 13 yards to determine the POI, I pattern them at the distances that I most commonly shoot the gun at, and in no case, does that work out to 13 yards for me.

When 20 yards is a fair poke and a chippy 25 straight is a good day I could see how you might think it doesn't matter.

Get a rasp out if there's enough meat left on the comb to get it perfect. You just might end up with back to back 25s for what we call a 50 straight.
 
Adjustable combs on target guns make the guns much more resale friendly than those without or those that have had permanent alterations that cannot be changed. Even my 1977 Perazzi TMS wears a factory updated stock with 4-way factory adjustable comb. It's a nice feature being able to make even the slightest of tweeks to attain the fit and feel you like best. I know exactly where Stubbs is coming from when he says he likes an adjustable comb for his target guns.
 
When 20 yards is a fair poke and a chippy 25 straight is a good day I could see how you might think it doesn't matter.

Get a rasp out if there's enough meat left on the comb to get it perfect. You just might end up with back to back 25s for what we call a 50 straight.

You should post a copy of your NSSA, NSCA or ATA registered shooting records. I am sure I am not the only one who would be curious to see them.
 
You should post a copy of your NSSA, NSCA or ATA registered shooting records. I am sure I am not the only one who would be curious to see them.

Do you want me to post yours?
Do you think your GOOD enough?
But that would also be posting things such as my address and personal information. And we both really don't want to go there.

Would gladly shoot against Stubbs any day on the sporting clay field do you want to ref?
 
The only bashing that was going on here was you hammering Stubbs with sarcastic comments aimed at advice he was giving you didn't agree with so it was time to give you a taste of your own medicine snickers boy.

We don't have to agree.

He is stubborn and I can be to he will get me back that I am sure of.
 
When 20 yards is a fair poke and a chippy 25 straight is a good day I could see how you might think it doesn't matter.

Get a rasp out if there's enough meat left on the comb to get it perfect. You just might end up with back to back 25s for what we call a 50 straight.

In skeet, 20 to 25 yards is an average shot, hence ,me patterning my skeet guns at 20-25 yards. The OP is talking about getting a shotgun with a hollow plastic stock, so it's not as if you can remove much material without running into problems. I am well aware of what 50 straight is, I earned the patch , along with other patches back in the 90s, when I shot NSSA registered targets, and there were a lot more skeet fields still operating in Alberta. As for bashing, telling someone why gun fit is important, and that sporting clays is the most expensive clays game to shoot, is hardly bashing. After all, he is the one that posted asking for advice.
 
In skeet, 20 to 25 yards is an average shot, hence ,me patterning my skeet guns at 20-25 yards. The OP is talking about getting a shotgun with a hollow plastic stock, so it's not as if you can remove much material without running into problems. I am well aware of what 50 straight is, I earned the patch , along with other patches back in the 90s, when I shot NSSA registered targets, and there were a lot more skeet fields still operating in Alberta. As for bashing, telling someone why gun fit is important, and that sporting clays is the most expensive clays game to shoot, is hardly bashing. After all, he is the one that posted asking for advice.

Get over yourself you telling me how far away the furthest shot is in skeet is as dumb as me telling you that you don't know what 50 straight is.

Personally I hope fella gets the 88 it won't be for long and enjoys a sport that can take him as far as he wants to go.
 
Get over yourself you telling me how far away the furthest shot is in skeet is as dumb as me telling you that you don't know what 50 straight is.

Personally I hope fella gets the 88 it won't be for long and enjoys a sport that can take him as far as he wants to go.

If you knew what the average shot distance in skeet is, then why make the cheap shot when I posted that I pattern my skeet gun at that range?:p

As for the OP, I do hope that he buys a shotgun that serves him well, regardless of what he buys.
 
First find a shotgun that fits you.
Several of my club's members use pumps and are quite proficient with them even on doubles. Many years ago now, my son learned the sport using a 28" Wingmaster pump.

When starting out at general club skeet shooting, just ask the RO if they would give you "report double" til you get into the swing of things. As you progress and improve your shooting skills then decide on a gun upgrade if needed.
 
I've never viewed shooting a slide-action as a handicap in these games. Until the early 70's most shooters of trap & skeet, shot a slide-action, some of those records still stand. It is a learned skill to use one efficiently, shooting a few rounds of skeet doubles will almost make it second nature. I started shooting skeet with a pump, after too long of being told I "needed" an O/U to shoot competitively I bought one. I wouldn't say I wasted my money, however after a couple of years I sold it and went back to shooting a pump exclusively. Shot my first 25 straight with a Benelli Nova.
 
First find a shotgun that fits you.
Several of my club's members use pumps and are quite proficient with them even on doubles. Many years ago now, my son learned the sport using a 28" Wingmaster pump.

When starting out at general club skeet shooting, just ask the RO if they would give you "report double" til you get into the swing of things. As you progress and improve your shooting skills then decide on a gun upgrade if needed.


whats a report double?

I've never viewed shooting a slide-action as a handicap in these games. Until the early 70's most shooters of trap & skeet, shot a slide-action, some of those records still stand. It is a learned skill to use one efficiently, shooting a few rounds of skeet doubles will almost make it second nature. I started shooting skeet with a pump, after too long of being told I "needed" an O/U to shoot competitively I bought one. I wouldn't say I wasted my money, however after a couple of years I sold it and went back to shooting a pump exclusively. Shot my first 25 straight with a Benelli Nova.

oh nice, yeah ive seen some videos of people that can slide it pretty quick. how much time do you have to line up the second clay before it falls?
 
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