looking for some quick info M305 shorty from Canada Ammo, How is this M305/M14 compaired to other Norinco or Polytech M14s is it worth buying? are there any issues that need to be addressed? I used to have a 2009 Norinco with the normal barrel lenght.
info M305 shorty from Canada Ammo
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I have one and it was a little nicer than my 2 polytechs I owned at the time.
Some of the same old issues show up in some of the rifles though.
CanAm is a good dealer so if there is a problem I am sure they will look after you.
Some of the same old issues show up in some of the rifles though.
CanAm is a good dealer so if there is a problem I am sure they will look after you.
On my last range trip with my 2009 Poly another range member had a shorty that he had just received and was shooting it in the lane beside me. I asked to shoulder it (because I want to get mine chopped), and it seemed a little bit cleaner than my 2009, barrel index was good (unlike my 2009).
- front sights canted to the right (barrel indexing .. under tightened)
- rear sights on more than some are crap and the screws will strip ,
If you are going for optics both these issues wont matter.
Check the op rod guide ( the part that actually goes around the barrel) see if it wiggles at all or is nice and tight. ..its easy fix if its loose.
See if the gas lock ring gets nice and tight when at the 6:00 position , if it goes past a shim is required in front of gas system or reversing the gas lock ring is in order.
Get rid of the op rod spring guide for an aftermarket one and if you want to use the iron sights get a set of Garand rear sights or even just the windage and elevation screws.
Other than those issues I think you will be good to go , the stocks on the new ones arn,t too bad actually and for most people may be good enough.
My Shorty required a shim and the rear sights were really stiff but useable (swapped em anyhow).
The safety was stiff too but I worked it back and forth a couple bizzillion times and its good now.
- rear sights on more than some are crap and the screws will strip ,
If you are going for optics both these issues wont matter.
Check the op rod guide ( the part that actually goes around the barrel) see if it wiggles at all or is nice and tight. ..its easy fix if its loose.
See if the gas lock ring gets nice and tight when at the 6:00 position , if it goes past a shim is required in front of gas system or reversing the gas lock ring is in order.
Get rid of the op rod spring guide for an aftermarket one and if you want to use the iron sights get a set of Garand rear sights or even just the windage and elevation screws.
Other than those issues I think you will be good to go , the stocks on the new ones arn,t too bad actually and for most people may be good enough.
My Shorty required a shim and the rear sights were really stiff but useable (swapped em anyhow).
The safety was stiff too but I worked it back and forth a couple bizzillion times and its good now.
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Chalk - how stiff was your safety? I have this same problem - at first I thought the safety just did not work... Eventually it moved but still very hard to engage. At times does loosen up but then goes back to being very difficult to engage. I am only at a few thousand times working it back and forth so have a few to go to get to a bizzillion...
Is this a common problem?
Just got my canam m305 last week and had it out last weekend. Looks great and had no issues. I need to learn how to use peep sites better but functioned well. The safety is stiff on mine as well. Found it moved better when charged. Removing the trigger from the stock and then engaging safety allowed me to move the safety easier too.
All the stiff safety(ies)..... 
I'm hoping you dudes racked the op rod (#### the rifle) and then put the safety ON...
Had many people tell me that the safety was a PITA and a POS until I asked them if they cocked the rifle IAW (In accordance with) that Chinese photocopied owners' manual stolen from Springfield Armory, Geneseo, Illinois.
Cheers,
Barney
I'm hoping you dudes racked the op rod (#### the rifle) and then put the safety ON...
Had many people tell me that the safety was a PITA and a POS until I asked them if they cocked the rifle IAW (In accordance with) that Chinese photocopied owners' manual stolen from Springfield Armory, Geneseo, Illinois.
Cheers,
Barney
Fit and finish on my new CanAm shorty: Not great compared to the 2007 I used to own.
(I dont know what the deal is. Some people are reporting really nice ones, and some are like mine. I'm not too torn up about it, because I'm a "form follows function" kind of guy, and the rifle works well, despite its defects)
-Receiver looks like it was finished with a bastard file on the heel of the receiver. Kind of mis-shapen, but not excessively.
-The base of the receiver that sits on the top of the stock is not finished very well. Instead of them finishing the receiver properly, the Chinese just modded the stock to fit. Not fun when you want to drop it in an aftermarket stock.
-Barrel off index.
-extremely stiff safety (its starting to break in though, after a couple hundred rounds).
(I dont know what the deal is. Some people are reporting really nice ones, and some are like mine. I'm not too torn up about it, because I'm a "form follows function" kind of guy, and the rifle works well, despite its defects)
-Receiver looks like it was finished with a bastard file on the heel of the receiver. Kind of mis-shapen, but not excessively.
-The base of the receiver that sits on the top of the stock is not finished very well. Instead of them finishing the receiver properly, the Chinese just modded the stock to fit. Not fun when you want to drop it in an aftermarket stock.
-Barrel off index.
-extremely stiff safety (its starting to break in though, after a couple hundred rounds).
Try and post some pics as the m-14 doc advised one person on here to return his .The OP had a similar complaint about the shape of the receiver heel .
To loosen up the safety
I removed my trigger group and put it in a vice with the trigger guard facing up and taped out of the way.I put a screwdriver in the hole on the saftey and worked it back and forth with 2 hands.This is method is alot easier on your thumb after the first million times...lol
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All the stiff safety(ies).....
I'm hoping you dudes racked the op rod (#### the rifle) and then put the safety ON...
Had many people tell me that the safety was a PITA and a POS until I asked them if they cocked the rifle IAW (In accordance with) that Chinese photocopied owners' manual stolen from Springfield Armory, Geneseo, Illinois.
Cheers,
Barney
hey , THAT happens on the real things too-i don't know how many gomers passed through my hands that said the safety doesn't work- so much that there's a COMIC BOOK- you know the one with the blonde tart that was issued for the m14 pamphlet specifally addressing this issue
Thanks , that is the one I was thinking of .
M-14 Doc recommended not to even shoot it ..
Did you return it yet ?
Here is the link with pics in post # 11
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=722603
Ya I sent it back. CanAmmo was really good about exchanging it too. No hassles there.
They did say it was quite common. I wouldnt have cared too much if the defect was on a replaceable part but since it was on the receiver and not fixable I was a little bothered by it.
They did say it was quite common. I wouldnt have cared too much if the defect was on a replaceable part but since it was on the receiver and not fixable I was a little bothered by it.
I got my shorty last week. The front sight is slanted (improper index). Otherwise the main differences between it and my 2007 are: darker parkerizing, bayo lug, rounded charging handle edges, stiffer safety, bottom slot on flash hider not cut, different colour sling, plastic stock, and a shorter barrel.
One should not assume there is a problem with barrel index just because the front sight is slanted. These flash hiders are commonly crudely machined with slanted sight bases and/or off-indexed splines. This problem seems to have been around for several generations of M305's too. My '10 and '11(shorty) dated rifles both had slightly wonky flash hiders - not a serious issue but I am fussy and tossed them.
It is possible to re-index the barrel to accommodate a crooked flash hider, but this may adversely affect the gas cylinder/op rod alignment. I think it is better to start fresh with a properly machined flash hider before fooling with the barrel index.
There also should not be a slot in the flashider at the bottom (6 o'clock). This is an original USGI M14 design feature to minimize dust clouds from muzzle blast when shooting prone and also somewhat acts as a muzzle compensator to reduce rise because the gases are expelled only from the top and sides. The Chinese actually got this detail right this time ;-)
Sorry, I didn't mean barrel index, I meant flash hider index, though that may not be the correct term. The sight base and bayo lug appear to be machined square to the flash hider, and the barrel looks indexed properly, so I'm guessing that the splines on the flash hider are the culprit.
As far as the flash hider slot, I wasn't aware that it was the original design, just pointing out the difference.
If it wasn't for the flash hider issue I'd say its head and shoulders above my 2007 version
As far as the flash hider slot, I wasn't aware that it was the original design, just pointing out the difference.
If it wasn't for the flash hider issue I'd say its head and shoulders above my 2007 version
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