Info on 5 rd Garand mag ???

"...would mean you have to hand load 2 rounds..." U.S. National Match and CMP match shooters use special clips designed specifically for that.
"...simplify the farting around..." Ain't nothing worse than that either. Especially on a cold wet day in a dark blind. If your Province requires 5 rounds only, buy the 5 round clips.
"...allow the correct stacking..." There's no wrong way to load M1 Rifle clips.
 
MauserMike said:
I was just going to say to load with 3 dummy rounds on the bottom
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The clip cannot hold more than 5 rounds no matter what you load into it. This would be the same as loading 15 dummy rounds in a 20 round AR mag and saying it has a 5 round capacity.


7offsuit2 said:
Sorry, I didn't mean to leave the empty cartridges full length; they could be cut flush with clip, so as not to impede with the auto-ejection. This would also allow the correct stacking too. I can see where I failed to properly express my concept XO.

Cheers!
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That does make more sense to me. Unfortunately, the lifter/follower reaches almost to the back of the clip, there is maybe 0.050" clearance on my Garand. It wouldn't leave enough room to fix a stub piece of brass in there as a spacer.


Mark
 
Being the topic on conversation...you stated "special clips designed specifically for that" are you agreeing with me that in this case 5 round clips are good? Or that they designed a 2 round clip so you dont have to hand load 2 shots?

Just curious.....




sunray said:
"...would mean you have to hand load 2 rounds..." U.S. National Match and CMP match shooters use special clips designed specifically for that.
"...simplify the farting around..." Ain't nothing worse than that either. Especially on a cold wet day in a dark blind. If your Province requires 5 rounds only, buy the 5 round clips.
"...allow the correct stacking..." There's no wrong way to load M1 Rifle clips.
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As a new garand owner myself, I hope you know not to use commercial ammo in your garand unless it is specifically marked for use in the garand. this is something I did not know and was lucky the guy that sold my rifle to me included a sheet with info on the gun with the purchase.


gunsdora said:
I'm new to the M1 Garand . Isn't there a 5 rd law ????.
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gunsdora said:
I did not know that. I just finish reaming a NOS dated 12/54 SA barrel. Are you saying I cant shot regular 30-06 ammo in it.
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Almost all of the commercial .30-06 is supposed to have gas pressures that hammer the action too much. Get an adjustable gas plug for it and you can bleed off some extra gas before it pushes back on the OP rod. A CGN'er on here sells them at a good price. PM Pocketfisherman for one. He is in Ontario and shipping will be fast and affordable.

Cheers,

Ian
 
Smitsauce said:
Almost all of the commercial .30-06 is supposed to have gas pressures that hammer the action too much. Get an adjustable gas plug for it and you can bleed off some extra gas before it pushes back on the OP rod. A CGN'er on here sells them at a good price. PM Pocketfisherman for one. He is in Ontario and shipping will be fast and affordable.

Cheers,

Ian
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+1 to the adjustable gas plug.
I hand load all my garand food to as close as ball spec as possible- but having one of those just means the rifle sees less wear and still functions 100% ('44 Springfield)

Modern commercial stuff can bend your oprod.

Tons of good resources for loading for the Garand online though.
 
JoKa said:
Or that they designed a 2 round clip so you dont have to hand load 2 shots?
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He was talking about the 2 round clips for certain service rifle events.


gunsdora said:
I did not know that. I just finish reaming a NOS dated 12/54 SA barrel. Are you saying I cant shot regular 30-06 ammo in it.
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Commercial 30-06 these days is generally loaded with powders that are slower burning than 50 years ago. This generates gas port pressures that are higher than the Garand was designed for, which overgasses the action and beats the rifle up. The best answer for ammo for your Garand is to handload using IMR4064 or 4895 powders. They are the correct speed and will not pound the rifle while delivering excellent accuracy. Second best answer (or if you are looking to load hotter than the M2 ball load) is to use an adjustable gas plug and let off the extra pressure without hurting the rifle.

If you search on "garand" in the milsurp and reloading forums you will find dozens of good threads on reloading for the M1.


Mark
 
"...not to use commercial ammo..." Internet nonsense. What do you think was used before there was an Internet saying that? Literally millions of rounds of regular factory ammo has been fired out of M1 Rifle's with no fuss. In any case, there are several pricey commercial brands loaded specifically for the M1. All using a 150 grain bullet(.30 M2 ammo didn't use one of those. The Rifle wasn't designed for that ammo anyway.) and virtually unobtainable in Canada. At least I've never seen any. Not that I've looked. Reloads only for me.
"...are you agreeing with me..." Isn't about agreeing or not. Just that the U.S. competitors use 2 rounders for their 10 round matches. (Why the course of fire is ten, is anybody's guess. Possibly a hold over from the 1903 Springfield days.) There are clips that hold 2 on one end and 5 on the other, as well. 5 only clips are primarily for hunting in those jurisdictions that require 5 only. In Ontario, we don't have to worry about it. So why bother spending the money whern you can spend it on accessories? Bayonets and grenade launch attachments, et al.
 
sunray said:
All using a 150 grain bullet(.30 M2 ammo didn't use one of those. The Rifle wasn't designed for that ammo anyway.) .
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I am a little confused by your statement above. According to U. S. Army Frankford Arsenal drawing C6137544, Cartridge, Caliber .30, Ball, M2, the bullet used shall conform to U. S. Army Frankford Arsenal drawing C8595559, Bullet. That drawing state that the "Unit Weight" of the bullet shall be 152 grains plus 0 grains/minus 3 grains. You are correct in stating that the M1 rifle was not designed using the M2 Ball cartridge. It was designed using the Cartridge, Caliber .30, Ball M1 which used a 172 grain bullet BUT the M2 Cartridge was deigned to be used in the M1. Some commercial .30-06 hunting loads have pressure curves that can cause damage to the M1. It is called a bent operating rod!
 
The Wizard said:
I am a little confused by your statement above. According to U. S. Army Frankford Arsenal drawing C6137544, Cartridge, Caliber .30, Ball, M2, the bullet used shall conform to U. S. Army Frankford Arsenal drawing C8595559, Bullet. That drawing state that the "Unit Weight" of the bullet shall be 152 grains plus 0 grains/minus 3 grains. You are correct in stating that the M1 rifle was not designed using the M2 Ball cartridge. It was designed using the Cartridge, Caliber .30, Ball M1 which used a 172 grain bullet BUT the M2 Cartridge was deigned to be used in the M1. Some commercial .30-06 hunting loads have pressure curves that can cause damage to the M1. It is called a bent operating rod!
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When it comes to sunray confusion is SOP!
 
"...When it comes to sunray confusion is SOP!..." Caused by your lack of education.
The nominal weight of a .30 M2 bullet was 152 grains. The M2 cartridge was designed for one reason. The .30 M1's BT bullet had too much range for National Guard ranges. Makes no difference now anyway. Surplus M2 Ball has never been readily available in Canada.
 
mmattockx said:
The clip cannot hold more than 5 rounds no matter what you load into it. This would be the same as loading 15 dummy rounds in a 20 round AR mag and saying it has a 5 round capacity.
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Whole lotta misinformation here. The garand clip is EXEMPTED by name. The latter is ILLEGAL. So it's a whole lotta different in fact!

As for hunting regulations, how many guys hunt with 10 round lee enfields? It's no problem to have a mag capacity in excess of five in all provinces I am aware of. Unless it is a shotgun then it needs to be plugged country wide for migratory bird hunting.
 
MauserMike said:
It's no problem to have a mag capacity in excess of five in all provinces I am aware of.
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MM, you are completely wrong on this. Let me repost what I quoted in post #18:


BIG GAME

It is unlawful to


  1. set out, use or employ any of the following items for the purpose of hunting big game:
    • an auto-loading firearm that has the capacity to hold more than 5 cartridges in the magazine,
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Straight from the Alberta game regs: http://www.albertaregulations.ca/huntingregs/genregs.html

You cannot have more than 5 rounds in a semi-auto for big game hunting in Alberta. Manual actions have no capacity limit.


Mark
 
As someone who has fashioned my own 2 and 5 round clips from 8 rounders:
Unless you are in a bind (ie. need them in a couple of days and can't wait for a package to ship) or are so cheap or poor that you need to save 3 dollars per clip, do yourself a favour and just buy the ones that are designed and built that way.
Garand clips are made of hardened spring steel and are not as easily modified as some would purport.
 
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