Info on WW Greener 12 gauge

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I am looking at a WW Greener 12 Guage for $500.
Its in good to pretty good shape. I am not exactly sure the model but it looks almost identical to the bottom gun in this picture Bore is clean and shiny. It is missing the little piece of bone that would go on the fore stock but other than that its in pretty good shape. Anyone know anything about these guns value or otherwise?
 
I'm afraid you won't receive any constructive input with the bit of info provided - to start with, some clear images of the shotgun in question, more particularly of the action/bbl flats, will be a great assist in terms of deriving more valid info about that SxS.

To be candid, $500 won't get one anywhere near a Greener that is supposedly in good shape. Therefore, it would be prudent to tread with caution as far as this one is concerned :)........
 
Be very careful that it is a W.W. Greener and not a W Greener cheap Belgian knock off. Many famous gun maker names were changed just enough for these Belgian makers to get away with it. Names such as W Richards instead of Westley Richards, J. Manton instead of Josepf Manton and W Greener are just a few examples. If it is a Belgian W. Greener then it isn't worth $500.00. If it is original W.W. Greener, then you better run and get it, not walk. Just use caution. I would be cautious about it taking 3 inch shells.
 
We would need a lot more info about the gun before we could begin to guess at a value. WW Greener has made all sorts of different grades of guns from utility field grades to exquisite guns fit for royalty and everything in between. If you could get a bunch of pics that would help. You could also start here and get a rough idea on when the gun was made by looking up the serial number: h ttp://www.doublegunshop.com/dgsnos2.htm As always with any gun, condition is everything!
 
gunsaholic said:
Be very careful that it is a W.W. Greener and not a W Greener cheap Belgian knock off. Many famous gun maker names were changed just enough for these Belgian makers to get away with it.
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Yup. I've seen several guns with names close to but not quite the same as famous English and American makers. Always check the proofmarks. The name on the barrel might lie but the proofmarks usually don't.

If it really is a W.W. Greener it's either seriously damaged in some way or the deal of a life time.
 
Yet you know I just picked up a very nice Webley & Scott off of EE for $550.00 shipped. I couldn't believe the shape of it when it came. So some deals do come along but you really have to be careful.
 
I'll happily go out on a limb and say if it is a true Greener and there are no significant issues such as loose action or barrel problems, buy it. Whether you keep it or sell it on you can't go wrong, given the caveats about condition.
 
lowman292 said:
Would you mind explaining why?
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Because if it is a Greener from back in the day then I highly doubt it had 3" chambers. If it does I would think that someone lengthened the chambers. Many of these old guns are considered classics. Putting modern high pressure loads can be dangerous. Even if the barrels don't blow up, your are subjecting the gun to possible frame cracking or stock cracking/splitting from high pressure recoil. Remember, these aren't new guns and should be treated with respect. If you are looking for a double to run out and put modern loads through, then you shoul not be looking at an old classic. Do an internet search and see how many Greeners you find listed with 3" chambers. If you don't find any it is because they weren't made with 3" chambers. Which raises questions if this one is.
 
lowman292 said:
Would you mind explaining why?
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Sorry to interject into the query.......on the topic of whether the shotgun may be chambered for 3in cartridges or not.

I must say that it will all be mere speculation unless one had an opportunity to authenticate such data and that could only be determined via examining the proofmarks on the SxS in question.

Having said that, Greener did produce 3in chambered shotguns - such guns were mainly designed with long range shooting in mind and would generally come equipped with 30in bbls with F/F chokes. The 3in chambered/long barreled Greener as well the Westley Richards shotguns with similar features were very popular tools for long range Waterfowl and Dove shoots.

If memory serves, a while ago, a 12ga, 3in chambered Greener specimen that I noted on Cabela's site had a tag marked for $27,000.
 
Good for you. And although you definitely wouldn't want to use steel shot, way back a few live pigeon guns were made in 3", entirely possible Greener did as well. It'd be robust, heavy gun though.
 
Well,I just had someone check it out for me that really knows SXSs and he says its proofed for heavy loads and is 3 inch. also something about nitro that i cant really remember.
 
Unfortunatly I will not have pics until next weekend because that is when I pick it up. But as soon as I do they will be posted!
 
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