Information on Neumann and company

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Hello all
I'm looking for some info on my shotgun. More specifically on how much it may be worth. I probably wouldn't list it on gunnutz, and I won't be selling it for a rediculously low price, as I'm fully capable of seeing how much even moderate quality doubles sell for.
The gun in question is a Neumann and company double in 12 gauge. It has internal hammers, modern non damascus barrels 27" long, the push button latch on the forend, the latch on the reciever that locks the barrels protruding out on the left side to unlock.
It has a prince of whales grip, the reciever is covered in engraving with deep engraving on the top side. Each barrel breech has a lighthouse engraved on the top. The serial number is 20xx.
If anyone has any legitimate knowledge regarding these guns let me know.
Thanks, Ivor
 
Neumann and Company were a Belgian maker of low and medium quality guns.

You seem determined to reject accurate information about your gun and it's value but if you want to learn more about it, you must post pictures. Good, clear pictures that enable us to examine the gun and assess both it's original quality and it's current condition. Proof marks would help as well.

A side note.....just because the barrels are not Damascus, doesn't mean the barrels are "modern". The connotation of "modern" with regards to barrels suggest the barrels are capable of handling "modern" high pressure loads. If the barrels are not Damascus (or some kind of twist barrels) all we can really say about them at this point is that they are fluid steel. What that particular set of fluid steel barrels is capable of handling, we don't yet know.
 
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They were hardware store grade Belgium shotguns.
Not a well made gun compared to other fine doubles of the day.
They were popular in the early years of the 19th century.
If you do choose to shoot it use reduced loads.
 
Sounds like it might not even be worth thinking about selling it then. I might as well just hold on to it. I've held on to my fair number of so called moderate quality shotguns in my time and this gun absolutely puts them to shame in quality and exicution.
Ivor
 
We are whistling in the dark without pictures from which to make a judgement. And your idea of a lot, or a little amount of money might be quite different than mine.
 
A gun of comparable feature and condition to mine sold at rock island auction for $1035.00usd. It's estimated auction price was $1000-1600.00
Thanks anyways, but I'll gather my information elswhere.
Ivor
 
ivor said:
A gun of comparable feature and condition to mine sold at rock island auction for $1035.00usd. It's estimated auction price was $1000-1600.00
Thanks anyways, but I'll gather my information elswhere.
Ivor
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A Neumann went at auction for $1035??!!
I wish I had known about this auction because i have two downstairs in what II consider good condition with low pressure loads and i know for a fact i would not be able to get $500 for either of them . As was stated earlier, they were a "hardware store"" gun, made cheaply for the masses over here.
The very best place for a true evaluation would be doublegun.com
I doubt very much you will be told anything different however.:)
Cat
 
ivor said:
A gun of comparable feature and condition to mine sold at rock island auction for $1035.00usd. It's estimated auction price was $1000-1600.00
Thanks anyways, but I'll gather my information elswhere.
Ivor
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As I said in my first post, you were never going to take any advice. That was clear from the way you wrote your OP. Given your unwillingness to post pictures, to actually and accurately describe the gun to us, as well as the wealth of knowledge you apparently possess about guns of comparable features selling at auction, why did you bother to start the thread?

Do you know about the difference in the SxS market between the US and Canada? The consistent discount the Canadian market applies to SxS guns of all qualities and conditions, when compared to US prices? That's not me, or Bob over there giving our biased opinion because we want a deal on your gun....that's the market at work. We have a dramatically smaller market and SxS begin as a specialty item. And border controls are sufficiently a pain in the ass as to make the two markets separate. Ahhh, I thought not.

All we did was ask for the information required to answer your original question with some level of accuracy. And somehow we have insulted you. Laughable.
 
If someone paid $1035.00 for a Neaumann they must have more money than brains. Perhaps it was unfired and new in the box condition.... I seen one years ago on a doublegun sight for a lot of money and it was an older listing that had been up for a while. I guess some fellas will try to screw someone over if they can.
 
Here's one that sold in Vancouver for less than the presale estimate of 300-500. Sale was back in 2015. Seems to be a much higher level of quality than the Belgian hammer guns sold through hardware stores and catalogs by the 100's of thousands early last century.
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...-side-boxlock-ejector-shotgu-62-c-4dc4280a95#
Looks pretty nice, actually.

Found a reference that stated after 1924 Neumann switched focus and made better quality quality arms for the European market into the early '60's.
Cabelas's gun vault and Guns international have 10ga Neumann's from the 1940's with 2k price tags which seems a little unrealistic.

OP, in case you are out there, littlegun.be is good resource for proof marks, dates of manufacture, and info on specific makers:
http://www.littlegun.be/arme belge/artisans identifies no/a neumann freres gb.htm

Is your gun valuable? seems we will never know. Could be, I guess. As stated this is a poor market for sellers particularly for makers associated with low-price imports even if the gun in question is of mid-level quality.
 
TWK in the making
ivor said:
A gun of comparable feature and condition to mine sold at rock island auction for $1035.00usd. It's estimated auction price was $1000-1600.00
Thanks anyways, but I'll gather my information elswhere.
Ivor
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:needPics: to give sound knowledgeable opinions.

And we all know that opinions are like sphincters, right.
Everyone's got one and they all smell like :puke:

Seriously, as mentioned you really need to post pictures if you expect an honest appraisal for free.
I was digging out my most current issue of Blue Book of Gun Values , but decided against it, hence my thoughts on the unwillingness to provide pictures.
Rob
 
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