Inherited WWI Pistols **Updated with Sauer 1913 pics!**
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And even if they [the politicians] don't it will likely be "firearms? what firearms?" in a lot of scenarios.....
NAA.
Guaranteed this will remain unaltered and in the family as long as I have anything to say about it.
I was really tempted to shoot it, but I don't want to risk damaging anything. I know it's a well built pistol and it's in excellent shape insde an out, but I can't imagine even the slighted damage to an original part. I'll just get a Norinco if I want a shooter.
got a display case last night, just have to stain it, and get it all set up. I'll be sure to get display pics up once it's done.
Thanks again to everyone for the comments, I knew this was something special to me, but had no idea the response it would generate with others!
Also thanks to everyone who's provided archive info, I've been cruising the net for info, but you guys have really dug up some quality stuff!
I was really tempted to shoot it, but I don't want to risk damaging anything. I know it's a well built pistol and it's in excellent shape insde an out, but I can't imagine even the slighted damage to an original part. I'll just get a Norinco if I want a shooter.
got a display case last night, just have to stain it, and get it all set up. I'll be sure to get display pics up once it's done.
Thanks again to everyone for the comments, I knew this was something special to me, but had no idea the response it would generate with others!
Also thanks to everyone who's provided archive info, I've been cruising the net for info, but you guys have really dug up some quality stuff!
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- In lalaland, that is Ottawa.
I bought a 1911 from the son of a Sgt. in the Mounted rifles, with the holster. The father on returning to Canada became a pharmacist in a small town in Ontario. The pistol was donated to the Kelowna Museum years ago with several others, 2 single action Colts, a DA Colt and a pre WWII commercial Walther PPK in .22 LR.
Story is that some good folks in the USA paid for enough .45s for all officers and NCO of the Regiment. The mag had the C and broad arrow.
There is a C-BroadArrow stamped on the magazine ...which I believe supports the Canadian Contract heritage ( NAA feel free to comment, I got this info from a 1911 forum you posted in
there are 2 other stamps I'm not familiar with, but I;m sure are known to the 1911 gurus out there
See my post above regarding the C broad arrow stamped lanyard magazine.
On the two other marks... the VP in the little triangle usually found on the trigger guard bow is the Colt "view proof". You will find it on most Colt commercial frames from the era to the present day.
The little "y" is an assembler's mark. It will correspond to a real person who worked for Colt during the period who assembled that pistol. In Charles Clawson's book on the Colt Commercial Models he has a table of the assembler's marks and the corresponding name of the Colt employee associated.
NAA.
I'm jealous. That is an absolutely beautiful pistol, and such a unique piece of history.
You BETTER give your Grandfather a big hug the next time you see him!
Heck, give him a hug from us for being a very wise man as I think it is truely great he, a) held onto the pistols all this time, and, b) he gave them to you to enjoy carrying them forward.
You BETTER give your Grandfather a big hug the next time you see him!
Heck, give him a hug from us for being a very wise man as I think it is truely great he, a) held onto the pistols all this time, and, b) he gave them to you to enjoy carrying them forward.
I would be very carefull about glass display box unless you
keep it in a GOODsafe when not at home.
Also it where mine ,I would have about $5000.oo Min. insurance
on it.
I don't think I would fire it, you would not hurt it, but the barrel
blue would ware more and it looks like it hasn't been fires very much.
keep it in a GOODsafe when not at home.
Also it where mine ,I would have about $5000.oo Min. insurance
on it.
I don't think I would fire it, you would not hurt it, but the barrel
blue would ware more and it looks like it hasn't been fires very much.
MapleSugar
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That is so cool! What a great Grandpa!
I agree with leaving the pistol alone, but if you want to preserve the leather of the holsters, go to a western store that sells saddles and buy some leather cleaner and some leather conditioner.
I think anything else would be bubbaing the leather.
BTW, it is never a good idea to store pistols (or knives) in leather holsters for extended periods. There are chemicals in the leather that will pit the metal.
I have seen an old pistol a friend had with a pitted slide, due to long term storage in a leather holster.
I agree with leaving the pistol alone, but if you want to preserve the leather of the holsters, go to a western store that sells saddles and buy some leather cleaner and some leather conditioner.
I think anything else would be bubbaing the leather.
BTW, it is never a good idea to store pistols (or knives) in leather holsters for extended periods. There are chemicals in the leather that will pit the metal.
I have seen an old pistol a friend had with a pitted slide, due to long term storage in a leather holster.
Further research seems to show the holster is that of a Canadian Issue Webly revolver of the same time, not the canvas holster issued for the 1911 (info from here: http://mpmuseum.org/ww1/equipment/45holsters2.jpg)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that Sauer looks like a total prohib due to barrel length... and the OP stated having an 'RPAL'.
In other words, firearm transfer will not be possible... the gun will most likely end up in an RCMP chop shop as soon as they get wind of it.
In other words, firearm transfer will not be possible... the gun will most likely end up in an RCMP chop shop as soon as they get wind of it.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that Sauer looks like a total prohib due to barrel length... and the OP stated having an 'RPAL'.
In other words, firearm transfer will not be possible... the gun will most likely end up in an RCMP chop shop as soon as they get wind of it.
Maybe the pistol qualifies for 12(7) class? Technically he is inheriting them. His relative does not have to die to give him his inheritance.
Quick question, if I may. Is 'Sauer' the Sauer in Sig Sauer?
No, his relative doesn't have to die, but he DOES have to pass his prohib to someone who is licensed accordingly... and the only way to do that is to pass it on to someone with a 'grandfathered' prohib license or to have the gun deactivated or destroyed. The OP does not appear to have one of those licenses (only old timers do - lucky bums, lol!)
Anyway... he shouldn't even be in possession of it right now, as technically & legally speaking he's in violation of our (absolutely idiotic) Firearms Act, this Sauer being a 'prohibited firearm'. Today, this gun can't even be brought to a range by the person licensed to possess it (his gramps, I'd assume), much less given to his grand son who's not even licensed to have that class of a firearm. Stupid rules, but true...
Man, that's just asking for trouble though. I hope he won't brag about it to the CFO anytime soon, lol!
No, his relative doesn't have to die, but he DOES have to pass his prohib to someone who is licensed accordingly... and the only way to do that is to pass it on to someone with a 'grandfathered' prohib license or to have the gun deactivated or destroyed. The OP does not appear to have one of those licenses (only old timers do - lucky bums, lol!)
Anyway... he shouldn't even be in possession of it right now, as technically & legally speaking he's in violation of our (absolutely idiotic) Firearms Act, this Sauer being a 'prohibited firearm'. Today, this gun can't even be brought to a range by the person licensed to possess it (his gramps, I'd assume), much less given to his grand son who's not even licensed to have that class of a firearm. Stupid rules, but true...
Man, that's just asking for trouble though. I hope he won't brag about it to the CFO anytime soon, lol!
I hate to sound like a smart a$$, but this is taken right from the CFC web site:
Exception: If you are not grandfathered, the only prohibited firearms you may possess or acquire are handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less or that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, and only if all of the following criteria are met:
* the handgun was made before 1946, and
* the handgun was registered in Canada on December 1, 1998, and
* you are the child, grandchild, brother, sister or spouse of the lawful owner, and
* you are acquiring it for an approved purpose such as target shooting or as part of a collection.
In these circumstances, you can lawfully possess the handgun in question, but you are not grandfathered or authorized to acquire more prohibited handguns.
So If the pistol was made before 1946, he can legaly be granted a 12(7) class on his PAL if I understand things right, he just can't aquire any more nless they are inherited.
Also, I am pretty sure prohib Handguns can taken to the range now, I think it requires a special version of the ATT.
I hope the OP can keep this little war relic. It would be a shame to destroy a piece of history.
Just another reason why this whole 12(6) nonsense is crap, if you can't inherite something just because it didn't have a certain paper on it before a certain date, blah, blah, blah.....
[Yeah, I know I'm preaching to the converted but it just made me feel a bit better by venting a little.....
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NAA.
Just another reason why this whole 12(6) nonsense is crap, if you can't inherite something just because it didn't have a certain paper on it before a certain date, blah, blah, blah.....
[Yeah, I know I'm preaching to the converted but it just made me feel a bit better by venting a little.....
]
NAA.
You may be right, I wasn't aware of the 1946 date cutoff... still, this must be something new, as I was under the impression that all prohibs must be inherited by or transferred to another prohib license holder.
So, once he inherits them, does he also automatically get a prohib license in order to be able to keep them at his place of residence? That would really throw a monkey wrench into our beloved gun-grabbing system, lol.
