Initial observations by a newb 650 reloader

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Finally got my 650. Set it up and started using it Saturday to load .40 S&W....

By Sunday at 9:00 am, I was ready to sell it. My bud and I had set it up on Saturday. I had started, he came to finish up and also to show me how to use it. That was a mistake right there. I had set up some stuff, not other stuff. He assumed I'd done one thing and we skipped a few verifications. But we managed to crank out 150 rounds after the initial problems/glitches were fixed.
Sunday at 7:00 am, I got started to reload & experienced all sorts of little glitches and issues. Primer issues, cases entering the de-primer would get clobbered because they weren't inserted 100% into the shellplate, cartridges with missing primers etc.. By 9:00 am, I was so frustrated & pissed I could hardly think straight. So instead of trying to "hit & run" the problems all at once, I stopped reloading & started to laugh....

I realized that there must be something wrong. So, I started back from step #1 in the instruction manual. Set the whole damn thing up again, starting from scratch. I found a couple of minor things like the powder-check die not set deep enuf into the toolhead, the case insert which pushes the to-be-deprimed/resized case wasn't pushing the case fully into the shellplate. There's a little stainless arm which acts to hold a case into the 2nd (primer) station, it wasn't adjusted properly... There was stuff we'd never checked, and other stuff (like loose screws etc) which were like that straight from Dillon. I went thru the whole damn machine.

Stoopid little details like the previous were to blame. Afterwards, I started to reload again and everything went relatively smoothly. It's a learning curve and I was quite intimidated by the complexity of the machine. Between the different stations, the noises, trying to concentrate on making sure the cases had the right amount of powder.....it took awhile to get into the swing of things. By 3:30 yesterday afternoon, I'd loaded 1000 rounds. I learned how to manually index the primer plate, therefore avoiding un-primered cartridges when first starting the reloading process. I learned that if you stop reloading to answer a phone, take a washroom break or anything else, look carefully at the different stations & make sure you seated the primer 100% before starting up again.


Moral of this story. GO THRU THE SET-UP INSTRUCTIONS. ALL OF THEM. Start at the beginning, with no distractions. No friends, no telephone. And check all the little bolts/nuts/screws to make sure nothing's loose. I've learned my lesson.


PS: I have around 100 rounds in total where the cases won't slip into the case gauge 100%. On some cases, the cause seems to be a slight ridge on the case near the extractor groove. Others seem to simply be slightly bulged. And though they don't fit the case gauge, the ones I checked did fit into the chamber of my S&W M&P. Whazzup with that?
 
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PS: I have around 100 rounds in total where the cases won't slip into the case gauge 100%. On some cases, the cause seems to be a slight ridge on the case near the extractor groove. Others seem to simply be slightly bulged. And though they don't fit the case gauge, the ones I checked did fit into the chamber of my S&W M&P. Whazzup with that?

I think that is normal, as I experience the same thing with a 550b.

Those that are tight or won't go in the case gage, I try with the actual barrel of the pistol I intend to use them in (yes, with the barrel removed from the pistol). Most will fit the barrel easily, but I have one pistol with a Match barrel which is very tight, and I had to adjust the die accordingly to have even those that passed the gage test to fit the chamber.
 
I think that is normal, as I experience the same thing with a 550b.

Those that are tight or won't go in the case gage, I try with the actual barrel of the pistol I intend to use them in (yes, with the barrel removed from the pistol). Most will fit the barrel easily, but I have one pistol with a Match barrel which is very tight, and I had to adjust the die accordingly to have even those that passed the gage test to fit the chamber.

a very slight bulge is alright its just cuase the cases expand a bit when fired even more so in guns with unsupported chambers....pull your barrel out and make sure it fits....


i kno how you feel i recently set up a single stage press and felt very overwheled i can't imagine starting on a progressive;)....
 
Yes, it was very, very overwhelming indeed. I believe part of it must have to do with my age. At 49, I find myself having to read instructions over and over again for info to sink in. Matter of fact, I'm so dissapointed with my memory and brain capacity, I went out and purchased a Nintendo DS just to use the Brain Age game. Supposedly stimulates the brain...

And this contraption has so many instruction manuals. The terms used were all foreign to me, which made reading the manual an even greater challenge. I was constantly flipping back & forth between the instruction page I was on and the exploded parts pics at the rear. I think what helped me the most was taking the machine apart (eg: verifying that the primer system was indeed set-up for small pistol primers) helped me actually understand the logic and basivc principles of operation. Which, I might add, is what Dillon wants you to do. They as much as remind you to do so on almost every page.

I'm borrowing a friends toolhead for 38/357 Mag tonight when we meet at the range. Providing I don't blow myself up with 200+ rounds of my 1st batch of .40 S&W reloads, I'll be trying out the press again this week. My goal is to reload 1000 rounds of every calibre I shoot (.45, .40, 33Spl, 357 & 9mm). This way, I can theoretically put the Dillon away for about a year between reloads. 40 is already done, I'm hoping to become more accustomed to my 650 by loading the other calibres.

Thanks to all for the advice/tips. Knowing that I have both my buddy Drücker & GunNutz to fall back on when experiencing problems is a godsend! :D
 
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I had no problems seting up mine and cranking out 500 or 600 at my first reloading session....but that's because I read the instructions religiously and maybe I just fluked the set-up and everything worked well for me off the start. However, you have to use this reloader constantly to get proficient with it. If you think you're going to become proficient with it by using it once a year, and with a bunch of different calibre changes ta boot, you're going to be in for a big surprise.
 
I found that all the start up tweeking helped me learn and understand the rig, making it easier to troubleshoot in the future once it starts to wear in. Ive had mine for over a year its a friggin good machine once you get going.
 
Let's face it guys don't read instructions very well to begin with, and the older we get the worse it gets. BUY THE VIDEO SETUP MANUAL, it's the best thing you'll do for the 650. I used it to set mine up from the begining and when ever I can't remember something about it. It flat out works and is in plain english. I've never had 1 problem with the 650's functions and I attribute it directly to the video.
 
I had no problems seting up mine and cranking out 500 or 600 at my first reloading session....but that's because I read the instructions religiously and maybe I just fluked the set-up and everything worked well for me off the start. However, you have to use this reloader constantly to get proficient with it. If you think you're going to become proficient with it by using it once a year, and with a bunch of different calibre changes ta boot, you're going to be in for a big surprise.

I'd love to tell you that your wrong. But in my case especially, you're prolly dead on. In any case, I realized last night that loading your own simply means shooting more rounds. So much for the "Reload once/yr" theory.... :redface:

Out of approx. 200 rounds, I had three failures-to-chamber 100%. The rounds came from my box of rounds which wouldn't seat well in my .40 case gauge.
I also had two rounds where the primer didn't fire. In case #1, after repeatedly attempting to get my S&W M&P to fire the round, I swapped the cartridge over to my P-99 and she fired right away. The firing pin strike on my M&P seems to be lighter/softer than with my P-99.
Case #2 was the opposite. Wouldn't fire in the P-99 after only one attempt (someone else was firing my gun), lit off 1st time when I swapped it into my M&P. In case anyone's wondering, I was using Winchester small pistol magnum primers. All the rounds with glitches came from the "trouble cartridges" box, the other rounds were fine.

All in all, I'm pleased. I still have both eyes and both hands AND I got to return home with all guns still intact. :D
 
I reloaded 9 mm for my STEN gun (when we could still shoot FA's). After two or three roloads the cases developed a "belt". These rounds would not fit in a standard 9 mm pistol but still worked fine in a slam fire. One cure was to remove some metal from the sizing die and reduce the radius on the mouth of the sizing die. This allowed the "belted" 9 mm cases to go just a little further into the sizing die, reducing but not eliminating the "belt".
 
I understand the desire to load a bunch of cases for each caliber. makes sense. But 1,000 cases does not make much sense, unless you don't shoot much - in which case - why a Dillon.

My 650 is dedicated to 308. It has a case feeder and it really hums along. It is getting a bit tired, but after 500,000 rounds, that is understandable. I can arm wrestle with one arm real good...

I use a 550 for pistolc alibers and have a number of tool heads for various calibers.

I suggest you buy a couple 1000 once fired cases in each caliber, so that once you ahve done your laod development, you can make a real stockpile of ammo.

One thing i have done is use blue locktite to hold the die bodies in place and to hold the bell-mouthing stem at the right depth. The only adjustable piece on the tool head is the bullet seating stem.
 
This is why I bought the Video Instruction Manual Dillon offers for their machines. I hate reading instructions, puts me too sleep, I'm a very visual person. I have yet to use my 650 but I don't think I'll have too much trouble setting it up thanks to the guy in the video.
 
Although I use the RL550, which was recommended as a starter press, I found that it is very beneficial to start from scratch in the assembly (no distractions) and set up the press and explore every working component. Setting the dies properly, properly adjusting the failsafe rod, the primer cup, etc were critical (and needed adjustment in my situation) and I learned by having these small adjustment problems and working on them. The odd call to Dillon when I "couldn't see for looking" was also helpful.

I'm glad I didn't have a friend over to help with the setup, as I would have missed even more small but important points when getting ready for reloading. I think the user's participation in the setup process is critical to the learning curve.

It's always nice to hear about somebody getting "into" their new press.
 
I received my 650 with case feeder monday. It's a great press. It was very easy and straightforward to setup but I was kind of familiar because I used the SDB before.
 
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Where's your load development man. That's the best part...figuring out what shoots the best out of your particular gun and then load a boat load.

I make test rounds of 5 of each load to find what groups best. Use a different target for each set of 5. This is done everytime a different bullet or power is used.

For 5 calibers you have allot of work to do;)
 
Where's my load development? LOLOL, I really don't care for that, at least not at this point in time. Why kill myself to develop a load which has surely already been developed by literally thousands of other shooters. Sorry, but for me it's just wasted effort. "For me".;)

"I understand the desire to load a bunch of cases for each caliber. makes sense. But 1,000 cases does not make much sense, unless you don't shoot much - in which case - why a Dillon."

First of all, it's 1,000 cartridges per calibre. I'm reloading for 5 calibres. With savings of approx. $250+/1000 rounds, I "should" get back $1,000 per calibre from my investment every year. Which means that the 650 and associated accessories are paid off within months. And the best part is that the resale value of my press is pretty good. If I'm not mistaken, I can turn around and sell my $2,000 worth of equipment for at least 75% of my initial investment. I dunno, it looks like one of the few good investments I've ever made....

And finally, as stated before, I abhor buying "starter" equipment just to find I've grown out of it within days/weeks. My motto is, "go for the best right off the bat". From experience and if for no other reason, I hate looking at a relatively new purchase and saying to myself "Damn, I shoulda shelled out a bit more to begin with..."
 
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I really don't care for that, at least not at this point in time.
Good thinking. For plinking with a handgun, all you need to do is get a load that duplicates some factory ammo (so the slide will cycle reliably) and have at 'er. I can't tell you how much time I wasted on handgun "custom" loads when I first started with them.... just load and shoot.
 
Good thinking. For plinking with a handgun, all you need to do is get a load that duplicates some factory ammo (so the slide will cycle reliably) and have at 'er. I can't tell you how much time I wasted on handgun "custom" loads when I first started with them.... just load and shoot.

Sure load up 1000 and then discover the slide won't cycle properly. :eek: or one of many other issues that can arise. I'd go no more than 100 to start if accuracy/PF is not an issue for you.
 
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Yep! Reloading is a long term project, That put you to test your patience, I have a Dillon 550 and I got some problem too, but after tweaking and reading and reloading , I had find that some components dont work too well with my machine. CCI primer, Brass & Speer brass cause problem. So I try to avoid these.

Now, I will go to another step, I just order a Full conversion kit for 9MM, lot of fun in sight!!!
 
Sure load up 1000 and then discover the slide won't cycle properly. :eek: or one of many other issues that can arise. I'd go no more than 100 to start if accuracy/PF is not an issue for you.



:D 'Cause you think I'd be stoopid enuf to load up 1000 rounds of ammo without having tried the load first? I'm using my buddy Drückers' recipe (he's got around 25k reloaded rounds under his belt) , which I've fired often enuf at the range. 5.1 grains of HP38 pushing 200 grains of FMJ. The load's darn close to the Amercian Eagle cartridges I used to buy. Maybe a tad snappier. Maybe. Fact is, now that I've started reloading, it'd kill me to go and shell out $21 for a box just so's to compare LOLOL
 
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