Inland M1 Carbine.....restricted

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I have a new purchase here that I would like to know something more about. It appears to be unmolested. Stock is stamped S-HB in the cut out for the sling. Butt plate is marked in small letters "S3S" Bottom of pistol grip has an antler symbol. Hand guard stamped "TN". Barrel has no date or makers designation and only has a "W" stamped about two inches below the front sight. Sling loop on front barrel band is maked QU. Rear adjustable peep is marked I. R. Company. Rear sight mostly covers the makers name Inland. What may be serial number to the rear of Inland is 1162XX and then is another three digit number below that 93X. These are all on the rear of the receiver. The metal piece which the receiver hooks into is marked L.P.W. Bottom of trigger guard is engraved WP-LP-020X. Trigger fgroup frame is stamped with W and possibly a poor strike of a O. Front of receiver marked U.S. Carbine Cal. .30 M1 I have yet to remove the stock. Magazine has no marks but looks similarly patinaed as the rifle.
I would like to know date of manufacture and some history pertaining to the markings. Thanks to anyone who will take the time to help. David...


 
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With Serial Number in that range the approx. assembly period would have bee November 1942 to March 1943. Stock is not original as it is a low wood, oval cut stock and 'S-HB' indicates Standard Products which is not correct for this serial number. The original stock would have been a high wood, I cut stock with IO stamped in the sling well.

Of course the rear sight is not original issue either.

Approx. barrel dates should read between 10-42 - 3-43.
 
Thanks Manteo97. Interesting. I looked on the barrel for a date when I had the stock off and could not locate one. I will look again later today. Is there any retail dealer specializing in parts for these? Dave
 
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Thanks Manteo97. Interesting. I looked on the barrel for a date when I had the stock off and could not locate one. I will look again later today. Is there any retail dealer specializing in parts for these? Dave
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Gunsdora is likely your best bet for parts. A few other guys on the board as well. Put out a WTB for what you need is the best thing to do.
 
jody_v said:
Gunsdora is likely your best bet for parts. A few other guys on the board as well. Put out a WTB for what you need is the best thing to do.
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barrel date would be between the handguard and front site NO need to remove from stock for a GI barrel

the Germans did rebarrel some as did Importers and maybe an owner down the line
 
Barrel is blank with only a single letter on it, a "W". I guess it is a bit of a mix-master. Stock, according to a post here, is also not one found on Inland carbines. It shoots very well and soon I will have a range day to try it. It is suspiciously like my deer rifle, a Ruger .44 magnum carbine, in both function and size. Good old Bill Ruger wouldn't have swiped the design??
 
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Barrel is blank with only a single letter on it, a "p" I think. I guess it is a bit of a mix-master. Stock, according to a post here, is also not one found on Inland carbines. It shoots very well and soon I will have a range day to try it. It is suspiciously like my deer rifle, a Ruger .44 magnum carbine, in both function and size. Good old Bill Ruger wouldn't have swiped the design??
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Mix-masters are pretty much the norm with it being hard to find as-manufactured models as these are the most sought after. Most carbines when through the refurb program after the war and little consideration was given to matching original parts.
 

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Dantforth,

Comment from Jim Mock (Bavarian Carbine web site owner.)

The markings on the trigger guard are from the Wurttemberg Landes Polizei. Wuerttemberg's version of Bavaria's Rural Police. This marking dates the carbine as given to the Germans of Wuerttemberg between the end of the war and prior to 1952, likely prior to 1948 and one of the first carbines given to the Germans. The Wuerttemberg inventory number 2265 is not the earliest I've seen, but certainly not detracting from it's history.

http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/

Look for the section on Wurttemberg-Baden.
 
Carbines are great fun, but as restricted rifles, you unlikely get an ATT in Ontario to go shoot it. Last I heard the CPFO was denying their issue. You cannot just go off into the bush or hunt with it either.
Suspect your's a is a parts gun. West German police Carbines usually have Mauser style rear sights. Some daft idea, at the time, of them being more like what the troopies were used to using. Could well be that just the trigger guard is from a Wurttemberg Landes Polizei carbine.
 
These two carbines are both 1943 Inland barrel dated----the rear sights have not been changed. 7-43 and 12-43
These post war German marked carbines are not all mix-masters.
It impossible to generalize with these carbines.

In the photo below the top carbine has mixed components an Inland barrel and receiver with a Rock-Ola stock

Jim Mock's comment; (Bavarian Carbine web site owner)

"The stock stamped “RMC” was, manufactured by Rock-Ola.
Rock-Ola made some of the best M1 carbine stocks...which was about the only thing they were good at. They knew wood and were very experienced with it".



"The other part of this rifle that's of interest is the 6 digit Inland serial number along with the rear sight, barrel, barrel band, and front sight. These are original Inland."



This carbine was later sold by Bavaria to Wurttemberg and the Wurttemberg trigger guard property numbers were applied at that time

The bottom carbine is all Inland. 12-43. (Including the stock.)
Bavaria Rural Police.

 
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sunray said:
Carbines are great fun, but as restricted rifles, you unlikely get an ATT in Ontario to go shoot it. Last I heard the CPFO was denying their issue. You cannot just go off into the bush or hunt with it either.
Suspect your's a is a parts gun. West German police Carbines usually have Mauser style rear sights. Some daft idea, at the time, of them being more like what the troopies were used to using. Could well be that just the trigger guard is from a Wurttemberg Landes Polizei carbine.
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A standard ON ATT is valid for restricted firearms and prohibited handguns.

Perhaps you are thinking of SAPs for shooting class 12 prohibited longarms?
 
Thanks Tiriaq. Interesting about the ATT. I was going to give up my club membership this year as I have only been there once in the last year. But, if I do that my ATT will go as well. So, I guess I will bite the bullet and join at least another year. The rifle shoots really well and quite accurately considering their reputation. Interesting history as well. I will be searching for another.
 
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