Input for next rifle CZ - Cooper - Kimber

canoetrpr said:
Can someone comment on my perception of poor quality in Kimbers? Was there a period where the QC was subpar and has now been addressed?
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I think most of the stories are from people that aren't up to the challenges of loading for and shooting flyweight rifles, but don't doubt that there were a few bad ones here and there. I've been looking unsuccessfully for one of those goodlookers that won't shoot so I can rebarrel it with a standard weight barrel. You'd think that they would be all over the place but that doesn't seem to be the case.

I haven't found anyone who could pick up my little 7mm without grinning, and it seems to shoot well enough for anything I'll ever do with it. The target is at 650 yards.



 
I would be tempted to look at the Winchester Model 70 too. Just make sure you get the proper Mauser type action rather than the push feed one. I'm not a fan of synthetic stocks (unless you know different some are rather flexible) but I quite like laminate if you don't mind the weight. I'd be tempted by this if you have 270 WSM and .30-'06: http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535142
in 300 WM (Think .270WSM and 7mm Rem. Mag will be quite close with a factory rifle and ammo and .30-'06 will lob upto 220gr bullets for you)
- Laminate stock (so very durable and weather resistant)
- hits a fair bit harder at range than anything in your existing battery
- weighs 9lbs but given a 300WM might not be the worst thing and will be stiff enough for a bipod if that is your thing.

Having said that I have heard that Kimber's Kevlar sythetic is Kevlar reinforced an plenty stiff enough.

CZ wise: I like CZs (and shoot them regularly) though I do prefer the M70 style safety. (as used by Kimber and various other reputable rifle manufacturers).
- Only one that stands out is the CZ550 Medium in 7mm Rem. Mag (Don't have any experience of CZs carbon stock I'm afraid).

No experience of Cooper's.

ATB,

Scrummy
 
Dogleg said:
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I haven't found anyone who could pick up my little 7mm without grinning, and it seems to shoot well enough for anything I'll ever do with it. The target is at 650 yards.
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Hey Dogleg and Ardent (or any others who have had experience) How would the Kimber Mountain Assent compare with a Sako 85 with the synthetic stock
 
I did the same decision making process a year ago. The weight wasn't so important except everyone I know who bought a light rifle in a magnum caliber seemed to regret it.
I wanted stainless, I like the look and feel of wood but the durrability of synthetic so I went with laminate.
I wanted a detachable magazine and a 300wsm.
I ended up with a sako 85 laminate stainless and have to say I really like this rifle. Didn't break the bank, great accuracy (but I reload exclusivley), great trigger and pretty to boot.
Right now I'm pulling my hair out trying to decide between a custom or semi custom in 260rem for long range plinking are a semi auto fun gun.
Decisions decisions!!!
 
My vote goes to cooper rifles. I have one at the moment, but I'm anxiously awaiting delivery of my second, just what you described:
a .270 all stainless, fluted bolt and barrel, in a synthetic stock. Supposed to be here in December, and I'll post pics when it arrives.

great triggers, super accurate, and I don't find them heavy at all. I have not owned any of the higher end Sakos (had an A7 in 7-08) nor have I owned a CZ other than my .22 and .17hmr.
All excellent shooters though.

I went cooper because I got scared off by so many poor Kimber reviews at tge time. If things have changed I'd certainly look into one of Kimbers lightweight offerings!
 
canoetrpr said:
Can someone comment on my perception of poor quality in Kimbers? Was there a period where the QC was subpar and has now been addressed?
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I would be curios about this as well. Although I suspect they have solved the problem ..... Or I fairly certain Dogleg would not own any of them anymore ...Im making some assumptions but ... He has a reputation!
 
A lot of the Kimber rumour stuff, in my opinion which follows Dogleg's, is based around folks unable to shoot or load for ultralight rifles (they are often more particular about loads than heavier rifles, and take attention). There have been stinkers, as in every brand, I've had a Ruger and a Remington that wouldn't shoot brand new. It became a bit of a fad to hate on Kimber accuracy, which was nothing compared to Ruger's bad barrel era which also hung on far longer as a rumour than in reality, and I haven't shot a bad Kimber yet. In fact we shot the 4lb 15oz Mountain Ascent at 500 yards with perfect hunting accuracy.
 
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