Input wanted on green tip ammo

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I stumbled across a seemingly good deal on a big box of 62gr .223 I asked the person selling it why the tips were green and he appeared unsure. After googling this it appears to be steel core stuff. Any input as to weather this will be more or less accurate than normal 55gr stuff? Oddly enough they didn't have the Nato (+) headstamp, but the case necks were blue like Seller and Benoit.:(
 
Sounds like PMC K100 C. I shoot that stuff. I find it to be a little more accurate than the Winchester white box 55grain ammo I used to shoot.
 
Isn't that the #### that Sureshot got nailed with. Those evil armour piercing rounds. I loved the 'fact' that they are NATO rounds and designed to kill. Also the demo of the evil ammo vs. vest ... awesome work from the CBC and the RCMP!
 
I was googling a bit further and found this explanation...So it should feed thru a 1:9" and a 1:12 better than a .55gr...now what to do with all the 55gr stuff?

Regular ball ammo is plain with no paint.
Armor piercing ammo is black tipped.
M855/SS109 is green tipped because it as a hybrid ball with penetrator.



Rifle Twist Rates

.223 / 5.56mm
1:14 up to 55 grains
1:12 55 – 63 grains
1:9 63 – 70 grains
1:8 70 grains or more

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surfer365 said:
Isn't that the s**t that Sureshot got nailed with. Those evil armour piercing rounds. I loved the 'fact' that they are NATO rounds and designed to kill. Also the demo of the evil ammo vs. vest ... awesome work from the CBC and the RCMP!
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I dont think so...Ive seen .223 lead for reloading with green tips by the bag commercially, so Im fairly certain its just got a steel core for cost purposes. But I have been wrong before...thanks for the heads up; Ill double check before I do anything!
 
surfer365 said:
Isn't that the s**t that Sureshot got nailed with. Those evil armour piercing rounds. I loved the 'fact' that they are NATO rounds and designed to kill. Also the demo of the evil ammo vs. vest ... awesome work from the CBC and the RCMP!
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Sounds like it. It has a steel penetrator for better penetration at longer ranges. It's sounds like PMC K100 as UncleWalther pointed out.
 
Warsaw pact greentips means Tracer.

NATO Greentips means ball. Plain, regular nothing ball. It's redundant to paint the tips green. It's ball by convention. It's a waste of paint

Likely a gimmick.
 
The tips are green so soldiers can tell the difference between unpackaged M193 55gr and green tipped M855 62gr with steel penetrator, both of which are nato and both of which the US had in service at the same time.
 
green was used to separate between M855 and M193. Steel core is used to increase penetration at distance, especially in machineguns, where there was a strong argument at the time against 5.56 in MG
 
AP rifle ammo isn't illegal to posses in Canada. AP handgun ammo, as well as any explosive or incendiary ammo, is.

Many countries, which did not use the original M193 ammo, do not use use the green tip marking on 5.56 NATO ball with the two part lead/steel core.
 
styles828 said:
NATO Greentips means ball. Plain, regular nothing ball. It's redundant to paint the tips green. It's ball by convention. It's a waste of paint

Likely a gimmick.
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I don't think that's the case. Even though both are ball ammunition, I think it was important to differentiate the two different types of ammo so that soldiers wouldn't make the mistake of using 62 grain ammo in older 1 in 12" twist rifles. My understanding is that South Korea did have M16A1s so adopting the practice of painting 62gr ammo with green tips made sense.
 
FPembleton said:
I don't think that's the case. Even though both are ball ammunition, I think it was important to differentiate the two different types of ammo so that soldiers wouldn't make the mistake of using 62 grain ammo in older 1 in 12" twist rifles. My understanding is that South Korea did have M16A1s so adopting the practice of painting 62gr ammo with green tips made sense.
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Very correct- the m16a1 doesn't shoot 62 grain well, and it took some time for the US Army to change over. That stuff should be good to shoot.
 
ViktorF said:
Rifle Twist Rates

.223 / 5.56mm
1:14 up to 55 grains
1:12 55 – 63 grains
1:9 63 – 70 grains
1:8 70 grains or more

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This is not a good refernce chart. Whoever wrote it obviously hasn't tested what they've written. My 1:9 Colt Hbar shoots 55gr just as well as 62gr at any range. Also, the US Army M16/M4 Marksmanship manual states that the M16A1 1:12 twist barrel will not stabilize a 62gr bullet in flight and that 62gr bullets should only be used in a 1:12 twist barrel in a close range emergency only. However, the 1:7 twist barrel of the M16A2 and M4/M4A1 is capable of stabilizing 55gr and 62gr bullets in flight, albeit the 55gr bullet is not ideal.
 
Gunnerlove said:
The tips are green so soldiers can tell the difference between unpackaged M193 55gr and green tipped M855 62gr with steel penetrator, both of which are nato and both of which the US had in service at the same time.
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|M193 is not NATO. The reason M855 is green tipped because when it was first adopted, there was still a very large inventory of M16A1 with 1/12 twist.

And M855 doesn't have a steelcore, I say again, it does NOT have a steel core. It has a mini-steel tip and a lead core.

M855 is not AP - it is penetration enhanced. Even true AP round, such as M995, is legal in Canada. However, it is probably not legal in a way that it is most likely stolen from the military.
 
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