Inquiring value of Italian youth Carcano

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Hello everyone, I am new to the website. I hope someone can help me out with some information. Are there any Carcano collectors out there. For that matter, is there much interest in Carcanos?

I am trying to find out the value of a youth model of the Carcano rifle. I have had this rifle for several years having obtained it from a friend who insisted on selling a group of rifles only two of which I was interested in but I had to take the lot in order to get the two that I wanted. He would not seperate them. They belonged to his dad and he had inherited them. This particular rifle was brought home from WW2 by his father.

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From what I can see this rifle is in very very good condition. It does not have to be registered nor do you have to have a license to own it as it is considered a non-firearm according to the CFC. It was designed only to shoot blank cartridges and the barrel is not rifled. It was intended by the Italian fascist regime, sometime around 1930, to train young boys, beginning around 8 years old, known as "wolf cubs or "Ballilla", in the handling and use of firearms to prepare them for eventual military action. Apparently they were too young to trust with a cartridge firing rifle so these were made up from a scaled down version of a model 91 Carcano rifle especially for these young boys.

I think the gun is complete. It sure is small scale, you can see from the photos it measures just under 30 inches total in length. It has a leather sling which I believe is original and a fold out bayonet. There is some question from people I have talked to as to whether or not there ever was a clip for this rifle considering its purpose, or whether it was singularly loaded. There is an opening on the bottom of the magazine which suggests that it would accept a clip. Hopefully, some collectors out there will be able to tell me. I really don’t know what I want to do with this rifle, the longer I have it the more attached I have gotten to it, but it is not something of a nature that I collect. If I can find out what a realistic value on it is, then I can make a decision. I am including some photos to show what this rifle is. If any more photos are needed just let me know and I will provide them.

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By the way, great website. I am glad it was suggested to me.
 
ben hunchak said:
Watch for stock damage as they were always being dropped on the ground prior to battle.

Funny as hell and very helpful to boot. :rolleyes:

As to your gun, practically none of these change hands, so there is no trend established to gauage what you could expect to fetch for it. They are sold fairly regularly in the US, and do bring in more than the average for the Carcano family. A specialist piece as it was not used in the fighting - my estimate: $300-400
 
Honestly, it really is only worthwhile to a carcano collector, of which there are few in Canada.

I wouldn't pay more than $100 as a curio or souvenir and I even have several carcanos I could display with it ;)
 
Claven2 said:
Honestly, it really is only worthwhile to a carcano collector, of which there are few in Canada.

I wouldn't pay more than $100 as a curio or souvenir and I even have several carcanos I could display with it ;)

It really isn't relevant what you (or I) would pay for it, it's what it could likely fetch on the market isn't it? I wouldn't pay $500 for a Garand, but they go regularly for $700+ (for a Good+ original), so we can say they are "worth" that much. Unless the seller cares only what I would pay, $500 would not be the correct answer for a Garand, and so it should be for this gun.

Of course the problem with this gun is that practically none change hands in Canada, so no pattern has been established. True enough, Carcanos have limited general interest, but no collection is complete without one of these, and it is a nice one. If someone must have one, they would be prudent to jump on the first they see and pay more than "it's worth" if need be, or abandon the idea of ever acquiring one.

I am confident that this gun would sell for $150+ if well advertized.

If you wish to sell it, what I suggest is that you advertize it here for something like $300 OBO (or best offer), be patient and see where it goes.
 
Andy said:
It really isn't relevant what you (or I) would pay for it, it's what it could likely fetch on the market isn't it? I wouldn't pay $500 for a Garand, but they go regularly for $700+ (for a Good+ original), so we can say they are "worth" that much. Unless the seller cares only what I would pay, $500 would not be the correct answer for a Garand, and so it should be for this gun.

Of course the problem with this gun is that practically none change hands in Canada, so no pattern has been established. True enough, Carcanos have limited general interest, but no collection is complete without one of these, and it is a nice one. If someone must have one, they would be prudent to jump on the first they see and pay more than "it's worth" if need be, or abandon the idea of ever acquiring one.

I am confident that this gun would sell for $150+ if well advertized.

If you wish to sell it, what I suggest is that you advertize it here for something like $300 OBO (or best offer), be patient and see where it goes.
I agree with Andy,ask $300.00 and see where it goes,there might be guy,s that collect Carcano,s out there.What guy,s say they will pay really means nothing towards the true value.I woundn,t give $5.00 for a Mosin-Nagant but some guy,s like them...........Good luck
 
HI Fellas, Thanks for the replies and the helpful information. It does seem like the US would be the market place for this particular gun. Even though it is considered a non firearm in Canada and I would imagine it would also have the same classification in the US, knowing the red tape that goes on, there would probably be snags in taking it or mailing it across the border. I haven't totally convinced myself to let it go as of yet, as was mentioned it is quite unique and an interesting piece. I have been interested in firearms all my life and this is the first one of this particular rifle that I have ever seen.
Thanks again for your input.
 
ilovepotatos said:
I don't know who knows more. Claven2 or Andy.

There should be a heavyweight battle somewhere. You guys duke it out like the women you are. :p

Andy's older and feebler, the smart money is on me... :dancingbanana:
 
Claven2 said:
Andy's older and feebler, the smart money is on me... :dancingbanana:

I can see it now:

Claven2 - "Face it Andy. I'm younger and faster."

Andy - "Face it Claven, I'm older and I have more insurance."

Potato Boy is too young to have a clue where that came from.

;)
 
Andy said:
I can see it now:

Claven2 - "Face it Andy. I'm younger and faster."

Andy - "Face it Claven, I'm older and I have more insurance."

Potato Boy is too young to have a clue where that came from.

;)
Don,t worry Andy,"Cliff Claven" put a value of below $50.00 on a Spanish FR-8 because of a little surface rust :rolleyes: ,and if you get to upset here "Potato Head" will buy you icecream :D
 
Easy now. A bit of friendly jabbing is one thing, then we go too far - it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.
 
Andy said:
Easy now. A bit of friendly jabbing is one thing, then we go too far - it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.
Agreed Andy,there is a very wise post on the discussions&alerts section.I for one will clean up my posts;) .Please strike my last comments from the record :redface: my apologizies to Claven and Ilovepotatoes :redface:
 
Here's a couple of scanned photos from a book showing the Italian kids training with these rifles. Boy they are young and I can see why they only wanted them practising with blank rifles.

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John Sukey said:
And they gave these things to 6 yr olds!!!!!

Yes John, I don't know what the political climate was like in 1930 in Europe when those photos were scanned but it was apparently only the Fascist party that indoctrinated the young boys (according to the book I have). These young boys were usually sons of the members of the Fascist party and they called them the Fascist youth. It wasn't until they were 18 years of age that they were allowed to have full size cartridge firing rifles to train with and at 21 those who qualified became Party members and pledged their lives to the Duce.
 
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