Insanely Low Mosin Nagant Serial Number
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Bittermansbro
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What's the date? In the pre-commie days they started at zero every year.
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Low number
Nice piece anyway! How's the bore and chamber?
PP.
P-S: your N.E.Westinghouse too is a beauty! Too bad my budget is stretched a bit this month, every time I see it, it smiles at me a lot...
Nice piece anyway! How's the bore and chamber?
PP.
P-S: your N.E.Westinghouse too is a beauty! Too bad my budget is stretched a bit this month, every time I see it, it smiles at me a lot...
I should have mentioned. 1934. I'm not sure what you mean by pre-commie because it's a 91/30 - obviously made after 1930, and the Bolsheviks were established 1921ish. Wouldn't that system lead to duplicate serials?
Nice piece anyway! How's the bore and chamber?
PP.
P-S: your N.E.Westinghouse too is a beauty! Too bad my budget is stretched a bit this month, every time I see it, it smiles at me a lot...
Typical refurb bore and chamber. Looks new.... ish... I would say they put new wood on it if the buttplate didnt match serially.
Wow!
I'll give you $180......
Don't count on making a quick buck on a Moist Nugget.
What the hell are you talking about? I didn't talk about selling it. Every time I sell a gun I lose money on it. If you're going to be a jerk, don't post.
Bittermansbro
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I was just referring to pre-communist days for serial numbers because thats what I know, I can't account for after the Imperials, but like good Russians, it looks like the system didn't change after the Reds moved in. I wasn't referring to your rifle.
And no, it didn't lead to duplicate numbers for them because they were differentiated by
Arsenal
Year
Serial
Not just serial number like we are used to. Although in our Registry, I have no doubt duplicate numbers would cause the whole computer system to crash.
That's an interesting way of tracking the rifles. It must have led to all sorts of mistakes - that is - if they really wanted to keep track of them at all.
There has to be duplicates in the Canadian registry, not least because we don't include the non-latin characters in the serial prefixes! Of course, if they look like Latin characters we do include them. I brought this up with the CFC and they seemed to know about it. They also know that virtually no Mosin Nagant has a serial number on the receiver at all!
If they (the Bolsheviks) reset the serials for each year that would cause an even greater incidence of duplication than the old latin character problem which we don't keep track of. Interesting!
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I have seen some differences in what we are speaking about however, and that is in regards to the cyrillic letters that sometimes grace soviet rifles. When I bought a M91/30 sniper years ago it had a cyrillic letter in there after the first digit. When my cert came in the mail, it was listed as being an 'N' for the serial number.
Speaking about the confusion, I have personally wondered about the duplicates in the system. I have.....a few Mosins and three of them are four digit rifles from different years. All of my Mosins were transferred as soon as the call was made after purchasing them, however all three of these four digit rifles had to go to CFO before being approved, a couple weeks in each case. Duplicates? Or just the low serials?
One would think if there were duplicates in the system of the same make and model of rifle they would have to differentiate them somehow, which you would see on your cert. I haven't seen any 'oddities' that would indicate that......I just don't know what the big picture looks like.
Speaking about the confusion, I have personally wondered about the duplicates in the system. I have.....a few Mosins and three of them are four digit rifles from different years. All of my Mosins were transferred as soon as the call was made after purchasing them, however all three of these four digit rifles had to go to CFO before being approved, a couple weeks in each case. Duplicates? Or just the low serials?
One would think if there were duplicates in the system of the same make and model of rifle they would have to differentiate them somehow, which you would see on your cert. I haven't seen any 'oddities' that would indicate that......I just don't know what the big picture looks like.
They say, at the CFC, that they are just low serial numbers and that's why. Human error will factor in too, because the verifiers etc who report these things are human too. There is no letter "N" in Russian, although the letter does appear on foreign rifles. Were you saying that N was the entire number?
edit: I wonder if some verifiers have included the "backwards" N in the serial number and just thought to him/herself "Damn, they got that N backwards... those Ruskies!"
I think that technically, no Mosin Nagant should have a serial number because all the numbers are printed on the barrels, not the receivers. Don't tell the CFC that, though, because I hate those ugly stickers.
I don't think the CFC differentiates the duplicates. I wonder how frequently they occur, however.
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You're right. I agree. But what happens in the rare instance... or perhaps never-occurring instance... OK, well let's say you're a bubba and you put a wicked cool new custom barrel on it to make a sweet hunting gun?
In Fascist Italy, the dating system was changed to stress the monumental nature of the revolution. Like the French Revolution, the years started from Zero again. Italian guns are sometimes dated 1935-XIII (13th year of Mussolini!). I am surprised the Russians even kept those "Bourgeois" rifles!
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Firstly from the last post, no the number was the serial but with the 'N' in between.
On one hand compared to your Italian example, I am suprised they didn't change more, but in respect to the Russian experience, it is always very suprising to me as to how much didn't change or eventually changed back. I own Imperial Russian uniforms and accoutrements that have basically remained unchanged in over a hundred years, gymnasterkas, breeches, boots, not to mention firearms etc. not really different from Imperial to Bolshevik. Even the Imperial Russian style of military ranks was re implemented and re-used during WWII (at least in style and format) after it was changed from the Revolution.
All in all Russians have always been very practical people, why bother changing something that worked. The Mosin was a long lived service rifle and exemplifies that. Especially when you consider the sheer size of the effort to re-build, change or invent something new that would affect however many millions of conscript peasants, it was just easier to keep using what was already set up and in use.
I muse that had they run sequential serial numbers by the 40's the first and last digit would have been under the wood or wrapped around the barrel!
I muse that had they run sequential serial numbers by the 40's the first and last digit would have been under the wood or wrapped around the barrel!
Or they could just run it along the length of the barrel until they ran out of barrel. They could continue it on the bayonet.
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LOL, that would make sense for the CFC, but the poor milsurp collectors would have a hell of a time
And they did try. They wanted to make the SVT-40 the main infantry rifle. It was a little late coming, and they didn't succeed. I guess they learned for good then that it wasn't smart to try to change the rifle, even if the new one was more politically reliable.
