Inserts for the 577/450 Martini-Henry.

Al Flipo

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I am in the process of making some inserts for the Martini-Henry.
One of each, 45-70, 45 ACP and 45 Colt.
This is for a friend who owns one of these guns.
He borrowed an 45 ACP insert from someone and it was remarkable how accurate this combination preformed at 100-yard.
Looking for comments and suggestions on this.
 
I have a 45-70 insert but it does not fit in the chamber of my wife's MkIII or MkIV so I've never shot the dam thing. I would be very interested inserts that work.
 
I used to have .45 Colt and 45-70 inserts for a Mk. lV which were made by Ace Dube in Anchorage, Ak., and I bought through Bullseye Reloading in Fairview, Ab.. They were both made to the same length as a 577-450 case.
As Martini chambers can vary somewhat, I found that I had to fit each insert to my rifle, which was quick and easy with a drill press and swiss files.
I shot the .45 Colt with soft cast bullets as large as I could drop them from the mould. They worked quite well with medium loads of smokeless, and would push out of the insert easily after firing.
I shot the 45-70 with both blackpowder and some equivalent smokeless loads, using the Lee hollow-base 405gr. bullet.
They also shot reasonably well, but as the whole 45-70 case went into the insert with only part of the loaded bullet exposed, the expanded brass stuck in the insert at firing, and was a pain in the ass to get out using only a dowel push rod. You can avoid this by lightly oiling, or leaving some case lube on, the 45-70 brass BUT are likely increasing back pressure on the breech block.
I found both inserts easy to use, and I felt that their cost was more than offset by the greatly increased fun quotient of being able to use the rifle without the problems which I sometimes found with 577-450 (eg. re-annealing brass, etc.).
Regards, DaveF.
 
I've been trying to figure out why it didn't fit, it is an ace unit. Too long, that could be it. I'll look into that. On a related note I had an ace converter that let me shoot 7.62x39 in a 303brit... it was a hoot for a hundered rounds or so then it became over expanded and would no longer chamber. I would think that for these sort of inserts to work they must be used with light low pressure loads. The 45acp might be a winner in the Martini.
 
Damn, thats a great idea.
I didn't take advantage of a good deal on a Martini because I didn't want to pay $4 a shot. The 45 ACP sounds like fun.
Do you use moon clips with it?
I've got a small lathe that would be easy to whip inserts up on.
 
Interesting ........

I have an old Martini Enfield that's been hanging over the fireplace for at least 25 years. I also have a boatload of 45 Long Colt ammo, that was reloaded by Wolf for western shooting that I've never got around to doing.

Can I get an .45LC insert for the former, that would let me shoot the latter through it, without blowing myself up?

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Thanks for the help........ :)

Regards,
Badger
 
Probably not updated.
The flyer I recieved lists 20 577-450 @$44.99 made by Jamison International.
they also list under the same maker;
256 Win Mag
351 self loading
405 Win
416 Rigby
416 Taylor
43 Mouser
43 spanish
45-120 sharps
470 Nitro express
475 Linebaugh
500 Linebaugh
500 Nitro express
505 Gibbs Mag
6.5 Rem SPC

By the way Jamison bought out Bell Brass.
 
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Finally had the chance to get out to the range and try out the .45LC insert for the Martini-Enfield. Here's some of the pics and I also took some MPEG videos, which I'll post as streaming video, if anyone is interested in seeing how these old guns shoot using the insert.

Many thanks to Al Flipo for all his help in getting this old girl from down off my fireplace and out to the range for the first time in over 30 years. :D

1882 Martini-Enfield Mk III

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1882 Martini-Enfield Mk III (lots more pics ... click here)


Regards,
Badger
 
So how did it shoot?
Looking at the setup, I wonder if it would shoot better if the cartridge dropped down into the adapter so that the bullet was in a more normal position. A steel insert with floating firing pin could drop in behind it.
Right now, the bullet has a heck of a jump to the lands.

Then again, it's not going to be any target rifle anyways. I doubt that 120 year old barrel is going to notice any difference.
 
Slash
The beauty of these guns is that the bore is tapered from the chamber to the muzzle.
That jump you are talking about has no effect on the accuracy.
We were also testing a Martine-Henry this morning, at our range, and we shot a 10 shot 2” group at 75 yard and about 4” at 100 with the 45 ACP and 45 LC inserts.
No doubt, that the absents of snow, and the emergence of the spring flowers here on the Island had some positive effect on all of this.:D :D :D
 
Al Flipo said:
We were also testing a Martine-Henry this morning, at our range, and we shot a 10 shot 2” group at 75 yard and about 4” at 100 with the 45 ACP and 45 LC inserts.

Wow, now I want one real bad. Have to watch for the next bargain.
 
Got some emails asking for video of Martini shoot, so here you go.......... :)

1882 Martini-Enfield MkIII using .45LC Insert



(Click on PIC for MPEG Steaming Video - 640x480, 9.24MB)

If you want to download the video and save it to view later, right click on the pic with your mouse and select Save Target As

Again, many thanks to Al Flipo for all his help .......... :D

Regards,
Badger
 
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