Inter-Provincial Hunting Opportunities- a RANT

the spank said:
If you think getting to hunt sheep is an issue you haven’t seen anything. SK only allows SK residents to hunt coyotes! I had one standing 100 yards from me this evening while I was watching a field we are hunting ducks on in the morning. He was still there watching us when we left after the birds headed back to the roost. Couldn’t shoot him since I am an AB resident...
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I can't go to Alberta and shoot coyotes without a hunter host.
 
savage 110L said:
You make a pretty good point. I almost feel a little bad wanting all the sheep to myself.

Well if you want to come and hunt goats let me know. I’ve hosted a few guys, killed some goats. Almost as good as sheep and twice as scary.
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I don't blame you.

I had a goat hunt booked for last week in BC with an outfitter and had to push it because my wife broke her leg. 3 kids under age 5 was unmanageable alone with a broken leg for 7 days according to her....I had no choice.

Very inconsiderate of her if you ask me.
 
I don’t see a problem with an open system for non-residents. So long as it’s properly and scientifically managed and the funds from said non-resident hunters are put back into the management of game all the better. Of course tags would be priced somewhat higher than resident fees but somewhat less than non resident alien tags.

B.C. has something like 150,000 resident hunters in a province the size of three or four western states. Colorado alone sells probably double or triple the tags we do here. But they use that money for herd management science and habitat restoration or protection.

Doubt we’ll ever see a change to these systems, but also doubt we’ll see an increase in hunter participation in any of the single provinces that will make a meaningful increase in contributions to herd management and health. We will likely continue dwindling in numbers to the point that the leaf lickers wind up shutting us down all together.
 
AR15meister said:
nobody is suggesting an open border.

a carefully managed system that allows other Canadians to benefit from hunting opportunities on a limited basis in different provinces is hardly an open border.

It is the true spirit. Its what I can assure you the great sportsmen like Roosevelt, etc would have advocated.

How is it fair that only the wealthiest Canadians can pony up for a sheep hunt?

I am not advocating Guys from Ontario flooding the BC/AB/SK hunting lands every single year but a limited in scope program to grant opportunities----come on that's not too much to ask.

I personally support the guide outfitters but even they should be able to recognize fairness and I think most would. Also- I bet many of the people who actually did obtain a tag, especially for something like a Stone sheep, would hire a guide/outfitter to assist with their hunt. I have been applying for the one bighorn sheep tag in Canada given to non resident Canadians in AB (just for preference points) for a few years now. I have actually spoken to 2 separate outfitters at the Safari Club show about guiding me when/if I do eventually get drawn. I will start applying my kids the day they are old enough to apply as well.

In the meantime I had a hunt cancelled in BC for bighorn (with an outfitter) due to the fires last September.

I just think we could do a better and more equitable job. If a few BC or AB sheep guys had to sit out one year so some Ontario guys could go sheep hunting I don't think that is the end of the world. Perhaps they would use that year to explore opportunities in another province, under some amended system.
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host hunter is your answer. but not for sheep there is already enough taken by outfitters.
 
I have no issue with provinces putting their citizens first. An Alberta resident should not have to wait 8 or 10 years to draw a tag, that a non resident can purchase every year through an outfitter.
 
i'm sure some of the regs also take into account the spread of wildlife disease and invasive plant species which are minimalized if a strictly regulated system is in place. A small part of the equation I'm sure but part of the issue nonetheless.

personally, I'd love to be able to hunt in every province. Moose hunting in the maritimes would be a gas I'm sure and those open country alberta mule deer make me squirm.........
I've called a few outfitter/guide businesses about trips up north for moose and elk but thier resident hunter rates are far from affordable.
Can't complain though , hunting here is good enough to keep me occupied.
 
the spank said:
That is true but it’s at least an option. My hunting buddies can at least join me in AB for several species under the hunter host system.
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Non-residents can hunt in Saskatchewan for whitetail and black bear without a guide or host. There used to be a coyote licence for non residents, but nobody bought them so they were discontinued.
 
stubblejumper said:
I have no issue with provinces putting their citizens first. An Alberta resident should not have to wait 8 or 10 years to draw a tag, that a non resident can purchase every year through an outfitter.
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Couldn't an Alberta resident also purchase through an outfitter if they want to kill a sheep every single year?

Perhaps another Canadian getting one tag in their lifetime is worth the Alberta guy sitting out for a year or two so someone who cant afford a 30-40 percent success rate $45,000USD bighorn hunt.

I think it certainly is.
 
Dogleg said:
Non-residents can hunt in Saskatchewan for whitetail and black bear without a guide or host. There used to be a coyote licence for non residents, but nobody bought them so they were discontinued.
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I believe that's only correct for bear. Whitetail is a draw for Canadian residents, otherwise an outfitter is required.
 
bb07 said:
I believe that's only correct for bear. Whitetail is a draw for Canadian residents, otherwise an outfitter is required.
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The non-resident Canadian has to be drawn for the whitetail, but he doesnt need an outfitter. The draw is a relatively recent development, brought in after the population crashed. Bear is still OTC; mostly because nobody cares about bears.
 
stubblejumper said:
I have no issue with provinces putting their citizens first. An Alberta resident should not have to wait 8 or 10 years to draw a tag, that a non resident can purchase every year through an outfitter.
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BC does that, protects citizens I mean, except if you have money, in which case come on over and kill everything you want.
 
Dogleg said:
The non-resident Canadian has to be drawn for the whitetail, but he doesnt need an outfitter. The draw is a relatively recent development, brought in after the population crashed. Bear is still OTC; mostly because nobody cares about bears.
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Thanks for the clarification.
 
AR15meister said:
Couldn't an Alberta resident also purchase through an outfitter if they want to kill a sheep every single year?

Perhaps another Canadian getting one tag in their lifetime is worth the Alberta guy sitting out for a year or two so someone who cant afford a 30-40 percent success rate $45,000USD bighorn hunt.

I think it certainly is.
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An Alberta resident can't purchase an outfitter allocation, they are not valid for residents. I have waited 12-13 years to draw a pronghorn tag, while a non resident can hunt them every year through an outfitter. Considering that residents pay for the management of our game species, F&W officers, biologists, buildings, vehicles etc, with our provincial taxes, while a non residents fee goes to the outfitter, not for game management, the resident should come first.
 
stubblejumper said:
An Alberta resident can't purchase an outfitter allocation, they are not valid for residents. I have waited 12-13 years to draw a pronghorn tag, while a non resident can hunt them every year through an outfitter. Considering that residents pay for the management of our game species, F&W officers, biologists, buildings, vehicles etc, with our provincial taxes, while a non residents fee goes to the outfitter, not for game management, the resident should come first.
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I don't disagree the resident should come first. I completely agree in fact.

But do you not think there could be some better way to open some limited opportunities to other Canadians?
 
The idea that if I want to hunt sheep in BC or the Yukon requires me to go through a guide service is so frustrating. I was told this was to ensure the safety of people hunting in the wilderness. I can guarantee I have more mountain experience then most guides operating in these regions, but yet any resident of those regions do not have any requirement to demonstrate their knowledge of bushcraft, navigation, weather, traversing rough terrain, etc. Very frustrating for me as I would be very safe in the wilderness but simply can't afford to contract a guide service.
 
Duncan Idaho said:
The idea that if I want to hunt sheep in BC or the Yukon requires me to go through a guide service is so frustrating. I was told this was to ensure the safety of people hunting in the wilderness. I can guarantee I have more mountain experience then most guides operating in these regions, but yet any resident of those regions do not have any requirement to demonstrate their knowledge of bushcraft, navigation, weather, traversing rough terrain, etc. Very frustrating for me as I would be very safe in the wilderness but simply can't afford to contract a guide service.
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Man that’s a bold statement. I’m not saying you don’t have experience but I guided with guys that have taken 100 rams! Mind boggling. Those were some tough, mountain huntin MFers
 
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