interesting info on GP90 ammo

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Some interesting reading about the development of GP90 from the Sig Forum:


"The Swiss actually began development of a new rifle and caliber to replace the Stgw 57 as early as the late 1960's. This is when upon analysis of the available .223, they determined that it did not meet the range requirements and was disregarded as a 200 meter round. Even though it was more or less conceded that 150 meters or less was the typical combat range for the modern infantryman, the Swiss still had their hearts and minds set on the 300 meter mark and already had plenty of target ranges (23,000 firing points) setup that way.


Of course, Switzerland is not alone in this. Americans were in fact the ones that insisted on the .308 as it was a marksman's cartridge, and of course, we see the lengths that match shooters will go to in order to use the .223 out to 600 yards! Hence, when procurement specifications were given for the new service rifle, one of the requirements was that it be as accurate as the Stgw57 at 300 meters.


The initial route pursued by the Swiss was to use a .22 caliber bullet but with and elongated case known as the 5.56mm Eiger. The end result was a case that was just about as long as the standard 7.5mm service round, but a bit thinner. However, end results of this experiment were poor power and accuracy.


In 1977, this project was halted and a larger bullet with a diameter of 6.35mm was selected instead. The diameter was subsequently changed again to 6.45mm. As a secondary option, the .223 round was still being modified and developed to see if there was any way to overcome the range and accuracy shortcomings of the 55 gr. .223. Up until the end of the 70's the direction seemed to be in favor of the 6.45mm round. However, all that changed in 1981 and it was ordered that all development go toward the 5.6mm round (Swiss designation for 5.56mm). The sudden change was a result of the development of the 62gr. SS109 round which actually seemed to perform better on penetration tests than the vaunted .308!


The Swiss of course, never content with what is available, proceeded to improve upon the SS109 round! The Swiss bullet is slightly heavier at 63 gr. and uses ball powder as a propellant. The designation for this ammunition is Gewehrpatrone 90, or GP90 for short. The penetration requirement for this round was a steel helmet and a half inch of pine at 400 meters and the round supposedly does this better than the standard NATO round. Considering that the standard SS109 round had to defeat a US helmet at 1100 meters, the Swiss round seems more than capable of the task at hand.


Tests of the GP90 show that the round is amazingly accurate, especially for a service military cartridge meant for general issue. At 300 meters, it is capable of 2" groups with half the rounds going into an area about 1" in size.

Folks, that's at minimum sub-MOA at 300 meters and at its best 1/3 MOA for a service rifle and ammo!"


I don't know if I can expect that kind of accuracy...even if I was good enough! But interesting anyhow.
I should have bought more of it than I did, I think!

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I've got to call BS on that statement about "tests show":

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77110

Unfortunately the image of the target is no longer showing.

0.33 MOA is fantasy talk. Half that post looks to me to be a quote from Richard Munday's article in American Rifleman, in which he also said:

"In terms of target range accuracy, the Stgw90 has been found to have a slight edge on the 57, keeping half its shots in around 2.5" at 300 meters."

Admittedly you might get better accuracy out of a better rifle, the article points out that:

"In a prototype version of a sniper derivative of the new assault rifle, the GP90 has printed into little over 2" at 300 meters, with half the shots falling into scarcely over an inch."

However, that's still not 0.33 MOA.
 
peckerwood said:
How long before someone is dumb enough to cycle it through an AR/M16

:confused:

Most 5.56mm ammo uses ball powder now. If you are referring to the original M16 problems, it concerned the amount of calcium containing buffers in the powder, not the shape of the powder kernels. GP90 is quite clean ammo.
 
redleg said:
Most 5.56mm ammo uses ball powder now. If you are referring to the original M16 problems, it concerned the amount of calcium containing buffers in the powder, not the shape of the powder kernels. GP90 is quite clean ammo.
That is what I was concerned with...thanks for the clarification :D
 
peckerwood said:
How long before someone is dumb enough to cycle it through an AR/M16

I've seen it and done it. Admittedly my AR-15 is a UK straight-pull gun with no gas port, I know a shooter on Jersey who has put 2,000 rounds or so of GP90 through his Rock River Arms AR-15.
 
greentips said:
And that a 63gr lead core bullet with a lower MV could outpenetrate a SS109 with hardened steel tip is just anti physics:rolleyes:

"SS109" is simply a designation, I'm sure it does outpenetrate some types of 5.56mm that is advertised as "SS109". GP90 seems to do more damage to a backstop of wood logs than L2A2 ball, and that's supposed to be "SS109", however it's hard to tell. Depends what you're shooting with it and how hard it is. The helmet test they're talking about there is the old steel helmet NATO test.
 
I spoke with RUAG about their 5.56mm bullets. The Swiss government was concerned about the SS109 bullets fragmenting. They insisted that the GP90 bullets would not. Thus the bullets have a thicker than necessary steel jacket, and hold together better than most other 5.56mm bullets. It is thus possible that they do out penetrate NATO ammo under some conditions, but I would expect that to be in wood or softer material and not steel.
 
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