Interesting Soviet cartridge pics

Dosing said:
Not a common find in Canada for sure. I am guessing someones collection got messed up.
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I bought an old fellow's "collection" and this was in it. I have another one marked "45" instead of "44", but the stamps are very hard to see.
 
Used to have some 30-06 AP in my shell collection as a kid. Relative in the States claimed it was hard enough to dull sidecutters.
I'd warrant it was MG ammo as well.
 
@ TOKGUY:

Right you are, in more ways than one.

US used AP in prodigious amounts in WW2; I have found clips and clips filled with black-tipped AP rounds.

As well, the ammo we were issued for the Shermans was packed in 250-round steel boxes, belted 4 AP, 1 Tracer in disintegrating links.

I have no idea how many billions they must have made.

The inner core was about a quarter-inch in diameter and extremely hard. I do NOT doubt the sidecutter tale a bit. The rifling of the gun was protected by a compressible lead layer between the super-hard core and the relatively-soft bullet jacket.
 
kjohn said:
I bought an old fellow's "collection" and this was in it. I have another one marked "45" instead of "44", but the stamps are very hard to see.
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Well that explains it. Congrats on finding two, like I say not a common find. Ironically you used to hear more about threse load back in the 70s and 80s when the market wasnt flooded with 54r like it is now. Is Sask of all places...
 
kjohn said:
Looks like a real good site, but my Russian isn't quite up to snuff! :)
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Use Google, Babelfish, or some such to translate it. The myth/misunderstanding about ЩКАС / ShKAS ammunition having higher pressure has been around for a long time, but what information I've come across that was at-all technical implies or specifically states that the difference from the normal versions of the various cartridges was not in ballistics but in stronger case head & rim design for reliable extraction from the belt and chamber, in heavier bullet and primer crimps, and in tighter allowable tolerances. Even with that rotary belt feed mechanism, a cyclic rate of ~1600rpm in a single-barrel MG puts one hell of a demand on the ammo. The quality of each lot was tested and indicated by primer/bullet sealant colour. The best was supposed to be for synchronized guns (primer consistency was especially important for this), 2nd class was for wing & flex guns, and 3rd class was any that failed Q.C. for ShKAS MG use and was issued for ground MG and rifle use. Supposedly, many Soviet and German (using captured 91/30 and SVT scoped rifles) snipers preferred to use ShKAS ammunition when they could scrounge it because the higher precision usually meant better accuracy, and specialty ammo like explosive(spotting) or API was sometimes sought out for demoralizing effect, regardless of the Hague convention.

Regards,
Joel
 
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smellie said:
@ TOKGUY:

Right you are, in more ways than one.

US used AP in prodigious amounts in WW2; I have found clips and clips filled with black-tipped AP rounds.

As well, the ammo we were issued for the Shermans was packed in 250-round steel boxes, belted 4 AP, 1 Tracer in disintegrating links.

I have no idea how many billions they must have made.

The inner core was about a quarter-inch in diameter and extremely hard. I do NOT doubt the sidecutter tale a bit. The rifling of the gun was protected by a compressible lead layer between the super-hard core and the relatively-soft bullet jacket.
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3006 AP is safe to shoot in a Garand isn't it? Didn't the boys prefer it to regular ball ammo because it was more accurate? I have not seen too much lately but have 1 clip of it in my collection.
 
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