interesting visit to Hamilton Central police station to look at a few amnesty guns

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I got a call from a Hamilton Spectator reporter today he was looking for an expert on antique firearms which I am not but I know what is collectable the theme of his storey was/is should all the firearms be destroyed or do some have historic if not money value .well what I saw would make you cry there was a remington rolling block in minty condition with a bueaty cartouche also an excellent Tower Brown bess I almost cried then they brought out a junky martini henry then probably the nicest Johnson I have ever seen almost mint my god you don't see that everyday.there was also a very nice dueling pistol and a real neat cannon shape brass barreled handgun with a spring loaded bayonet underneath I wasn't too sure on the bayonet it just didn't look right but I am no expert .I also saw the MG 34 that they said was an MP42 so I corrected them on that (it was bugging me)it was a 1938 BSW "CA" which I would gladly give a home.I gave him high and low value on what I could I hope he doesn't overblow the prices he doesn't know a thing about firearms and there value and with my limited time I couldn't explane it all.any how I hope we all feel safer knowing we won't get shot by the crack dealer with the brown bess under his coat .
 
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woodchopper said:
this is part of the 300 guns off the streets they have been spouting off about ?


They sound dangerous to me......... :eek:

I have this vision of a "homy" holding the Brown Bess out with one hand tilted sideways....... hollering ..... Yo !!! :p

Regards,
Badger
 
it's now 1100 turned in also forgot to mention some of the flintlock handguns (3)they were showing me were those cheap pot metal fakes you see turn up at flea markets and garage sales not even nor ever were a real gun .I'm glad they're off the streets
 
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They've updated/changed the website, but when I looked at it a few days ago they were bragging about the success of the program....
Under all the flowery BS they had it right by using the phrase:
"TOTAL NUMBER OF FIREARMS SEIZED"

Well now that the community is safer I guess the HWRP will now support the cancellation of the registry.
 
Why don't we start an amnesty? Rather then turn the guns in for free to get scrapped, we could pay $5 a pound or some crap like that.....run newspaper ads etc.......
 
God... Brown besses and rolling blocks. Good thing those pesly minutemen and Plains Buffalo aren't dealing crack or they'd be in for an awful fright...

This is pathetic. Criminals keep their sanitized Glocks and doe-eyed widdows turn in a virtual War Museum of antiquities to sacrifice to the LIEberal melting pot.

I sure hope someone at the cop shop has some common sense and the best examples at least make it to a museum or something.
 
nope they go to the melter tommorow .. all of them the C.O.P.in Hamilton is very anti gun .I'm not even sure if anything I said to the reporter will get published or if it does how much will be what I said or his interpatation(sp)
I will say he tried his best for us to look at more firearms but they wouldn't let us apparently they had a media event earlier today but he was trying to find someone who new about the older stuff but got stuck with me I wish we had been at the event I would have loved to ask a few questions if they would let me
 
No, the top cop said melt so they will be melted. This is equal to burning of Alexandria library. In canadian city. We are not making this up.
 
You need to write a letter to the local papers explaining this to people. Criminals didn't turn in guns, but as you say, widows who turned over VALUABLE or ANTIQUE firearms. They may have given away thousands of dollars, and historically significant firearms are being destroyed, likened to book burning. Get to it man!
 
Amnesty pulls guns off streets

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http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=hamilton/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1144187413727&call_pageid=1020420665036&col=1014656511815
 
My letter to the author:
As a long-time owner of firearms and student of history, I am concerned with the lack of regard for historical (and monetary) value callously expressed by Chief Brian Mullan when describing the firearms surrendered during the recent gun amnesty.

It is certainly overstating the case to suggest that these firearms were "taken off the street". In a word, they were not. They were surrendered by persons who, in many cases, had inherited them from a deceased or incapacitated family member and who were, in all likelyhood, uninformed of their monetary or historical value.

The notion of a drug dealer arming himself with a Brown Bess flintlock musket is simply laughable. Unfortunately, the idea of a police chief refusing to use his good judgement in determining what is historically valuable and what is not, is disturbing.

Would the good chief be willing to destroy books or pieces of art that have historical or cultural significance simply because they were surrendered by an uninformed owner "for disposal"?

The ancient weapons that have been swept up in this gun amnesty should be donated to museums or sold to qualified collectors who appreciate their value.

Those owners who agreed to give away these pieces should, similarly, be compensated for their loss. Instead, they have been duped into surrendering valuable property by a bogus amnesty that has failed to take any guns "off the street" and has, in fact, deprived the owners of valuable personal property.

Yours truly,

his response:
Thank you for your thought-provoking letter. A follow up article will run in tomorrow's paper you might find quite interesting. You will be able to read it on our website at www.thespec.com

Yours, Paul.

and my response to him:
Thank you for your reply.

I think it's important to keep these things in perspective. One of the things that concerns me is that a lot of the people surrendering these guns are probably older, uncertain about the law and probably don't know the value of the things they are giving up. Many of the firearms can easily be worth hundreds, or even thousands of dollars when sold through legitimate channels (i.e. consigned to a gun shop for sale). Show me a pensioner who can't use a few hundred extra dollars in their bank account.

Contrary to certain anti-gun perspectives, these guns won't end up "on the street" if made available for lawful sale. Given the state of Canada's current gun laws, they can only be sold to licenced gun owners, with the result that the unwanted guns with some actual value would end up sold, for a fair price, to licenced Canadian gun owners (like several million lawfully owned firearms in Canada).

I will certainly look forward to tomorrow's article and hope that a modicum of reason can be applied to the disposal of some of these historical and valuable pieces. The desire to destroy history (or anything of value) is simply wrong, whatever the motive.

These anti-gun loonies are no better than any run-of-the-mill book burner.

Worst thing is, they're cheating old people out of the value of the guns they are giving up. If some low-life swindled an old lady out of $100, the cops would be all over them. Since it's a gun, they're crowing about it.

What a farce.
 
Well: for all you early risers, here's the article:

Canadian War Museum gunning for vintage musket

Cathie Coward, the Hamilton Spectator
The British India Pattern musket, known also as the Brown Bess, was manufactured between 1797 and 1805 and used by British troops in the War of 1812 on Canadian soil.


Cathie Coward, the Hamilton Spectator
rare, vintage musket


By Paul Morse
The Hamilton Spectator
(Apr 6, 2006)
The Canadian War Museum is appealing to Hamilton police not to destroy a rare, vintage musket likely used in local battles during the War of 1812.

The Spectator e-mailed photos of two guns to the Ottawa museum late yesterday afternoon. Thirty seconds later, the museum phoned back.

"You just ruined my day," said special projects director Daniel Glenney. "How do I get that Brown Bess?"

Glenney said the British India Pattern musket was manufactured between 1797 and 1805 and used in Canada by the regular British troops in the War of 1812. It was then used by the Canadian militia in the Upper Canada Rebellion of 1837.

"Based on the picture, you only see ones in that nice a condition very rarely."

Even more interesting is that a soldier's name (WBY Shelburne) is carved into the stock, which should help historians trace the weapon.

Nicknamed Brown Bess for its dark colour, the flintlock was issued to soldiers in Sir Isaac Brock's 49th Regiment of Foot, the King's Regiment and the 41st Regiment of Foot at the turn of the 19th century.

"They would have been carrying those right out of the armouries from England," Glenney said.

The Brown Bess, now locked up with 1,253 other firearms turned in during a month-long police gun amnesty, "could have been used at Queenston Heights, Lundy's Lane and Chippewa," he explained.

"It would have been used by the garrison troops at Burlington Heights all through the war or the Battle of Stoney Creek."

So few remain because the British sold most of the muskets as surplus to the Mexican army, where they were used at the Battle of the Alamo.

Hamilton police have several other weapons that museums would like to have, he said, including a rare Johnson rifle and German MG-34 machine gun from the Second World War, a Remington Rolling Block and a Martini Henry rifle from the 1800s.

And there are suggestions that a weapon owned by a Hamilton man killed with General George Armstrong Custer at the Battle of the Little Big Horn is on the destruction list.

All are due to be melted in a Dofasco blast furnace at the end of April.

"It would be a shame just to melt them down without consideration," Glenney added.

Police subtly softened their stance yesterday, after maintaining all through the amnesty that all weapons would be destroyed regardless of historic value.

The whole point of the gun amnesty is community safety, said Deputy Chief Ken Leendertse. Owners who turned in guns did so knowing they were entering into a contract with police.

"They signed a form that acknowledged they turned it over to the police service for destruction.

"Citizens had an opportunity to turn these weapons over to museums before they turned them over to us."

Nevertheless, police now say they will be flexible if an owner who turned in a gun wants to renegotiate the contract. One owner, who handed over more than 60 firearms, recently asked police to return one with significance to the family.

That will only happen if the owner produces proper papers for it, Leendertse noted. He also left the door open for special entreaties from museums, saying they would be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

Police have also agreed to check a rumour that a .50- calibre cap-and-ball flintlock belonging to Lieutenant William Winer Cooke was turned in and is slated to be destroyed. If true, the weapon would be of extreme historical importance, given that Cooke, who grew up in Hamilton, died next to Custer in 1876.

He was the author of the famous "last message" to Frederick Benteen that read: "Benteen. Come On. Big village. Be quick. Bring packs. WW Cooke. P.S. Bring Packs."

Police say people must not lose focus on why Hamiltonians want to get rid of guns.

"The people of Hamilton have an intolerance for gun violence," Leendertse said. "If we save one life, that's worth more than any history."

WORTH MORE THAN HISTORY????? Who hired this f*cking idiot????
 
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