Introductory Hunting Rifle

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So I just received my PAL/RPAL earlier this year and I just completed the hunters ed course today. COVID-19 has given me plenty of time over the past few months to break in my .17 hmr with gophers but I want to get into some big game this fall. I am seeking advice on what a good rifle would be in .270 or .308 Winchester as my introductory hunting rifle. I am currently a student at university so budget is a little tighter than I would hope. I'd like to try to keep it under 1000$ (give or take), scope included or the wife may get upset.
So lay it on me, what are your recommendations?
 
For me, I’d go with a Ruger American Rifle (just the plain Jane one, not the predator or any of the more expensive versions) as an introductory budget hunting rifle. I prefer 308 as it is a short action and I prefer shorter rifles. Both 308 and 270 are excellent hunting cartridges. 270 has more horsepower (via larger case capacity), but also more recoil. 308 shooting 150 grain bullets is fairly mild recoiling, but in a light rifle will still let you know when it goes off! As a beginner you might want to look into 243, 6.5 creedmoor or 7-08 as they are all lighter recoiling. If you know anyone or can find someone that will let you, I would recommend shooting one or or both (308 and 270) before purchasing one, just to see if you are comfortable with the recoil.
Ruger American pros:
-tang safety (easy to operate and get familiar with).
-70 degree bolt lift (you can mount your scope lower to get better eye to scope alignment).
-Ruger has updated the magazine to a double stack design that is supposed to be more reliable than the earlier rotary design.
-Ruger has a good reputation and a lifetime warranty. I’m not aware of any other rifle manufacturers that have that.
Cons:
-the safety does not lock the bolt closed when engaged. Not a huge issue, just something I prefer.
-price, it is one of the pricier budget rifles.

There are also the Savage Axis’, the Remington 783, Mossbergs and Thompson Center Compass (I think that’s their cheaper one?). I have experience with the Savage Axis line. They are cheap and accurate but for me have the ergonomics of a boat paddle that slings projectiles. My cousin has a Remington 783 in 30-06 that he takes a lot of game with. He likes it, I dislike where the safety is (preference thing). I’ve handled the mossbergs, the actions don’t feel very smooth and seem prone to binding if run hard and not perfectly straight. No experience with the Thompson Centers, but have read that they are accurate.

That’s it for my experiences and opinions. Now, what you should do and what matters:
Go to some gun shops and handle as many rifles in your budget range as you can. Work the actions. Hopefully the gun shop will let you dry fire to get a feel for the triggers. Work the safeties, see what you like. Get some scopes mounted, check for scope to eye alignment (comfortably shoulder the rifle with your eyes closed, then open your shooting eye, the crosshairs should be perfectly aligned with your eye). If you have to wiggle your head around to see the crosshairs clearly, the cheek weld is not correct. To correct that you can get higher / lower scope rings (bolt / bolt handle clearance allowing) and or cheek risers. Make sure the length of pull (distance from the recoil pad to the trigger) feels comfortable (you don’t want to feel like the gun is cramping your style or that you’re reaching way out for it).

Glass. I like Vortex, many do not. I like scopes with drop compensating reticles. I have two vortex diamondback 3x9-40 scopes and they take game just fine. They do have a shortish eye relief (distance from your eye to the ocular lens), which can be an issue with recoil (scope eye). I have never had that issue with those scopes, even on my 308. I would not buy a vortex below the diamondback line. Leupold, Redfield (made by Leupold) and Burris are also good scope manufacturers. I would recommend buying a scope within your budget that has lifetime warranty. I haven’t needed it with my vortex scopes (even the cheap ones, and they get knocked around!) but it’s nice to have.

There, that’s my novel, I hope it helps. I am a true gun nut, specifically hunting rifles. A lot of the stuff I mentioned is stuff I learned along the way that I wish someone had told me before hand.

Happy hunting!
 
You can't go wrong with a remington 783, they are fantastic rifles, and very affordable. I would say avoid the savage axis, it just feels really cheap, I couldnt see one lasting a long time. Vortex and bushnell will have the best bang for your buck for an optic IMO. As far as caliber I would say 270, but theres nothing wrong with 308, its my go to cartridge.

You could always try the equipment exchange here if you have access to it, you will find many great used rifles for hunting there for your budget and much nicer than anything you can buy new for the same price.
 
Weatherby vanguard S2 is alot of rifle for the money. There's a 308 in the EE right now for $500, put the rest of your budget into a scope and you are all set. Tikka T3 is a great rifle as well and can be had for $700 used. Both the weatherby and tikka are far ahead of the ruger and Remington in the budget rifle category in my opinion
 
You can't go wrong with a remington 783, they are fantastic rifles, and very affordable. I would say avoid the savage axis, it just feels really cheap, I couldnt see one lasting a long time. Vortex and bushnell will have the best bang for your buck for an optic IMO. As far as caliber I would say 270, but theres nothing wrong with 308, its my go to cartridge.

You could always try the equipment exchange here if you have access to it, you will find many great used rifles for hunting there for your budget and much nicer than anything you can buy new for the same price.

My Axis has seen hundreds of rounds through it, hundreds of km in the truck, and well over 100km on foot in the past 5 years. Mind you, I paid about $235 for mine ($289, minus a $50usd mail in rebate) and that was for the XP model (came with a cheap scope, mounts, rings). I wouldn't pay the $500 some places are asking for them. Its still my primary hunting rifle, until I get a lefty something-or-other, as I've decided to switch due to eye dominance.

I owned a Rem 783, but I only put 1 box through it before I sold it off to fund a lefty rifle. I got a really good deal on it ($199 or $219 I cant remember, but it was half price at a going-out-of-business sale) and for that price I can't imagine you could get a better rifle... But the bolt knob sucks, and the stock felt really chunky in my hands.

I had the chance to shoot a Ruger American Ranch (the ones with the short barrel). Nice enough gun, would totally buy one if they made them in Lefty.

Weatherby vanguard S2 is alot of rifle for the money. There's a 308 in the EE right now for $500, put the rest of your budget into a scope and you are all set. Tikka T3 is a great rifle as well and can be had for $700 used. Both the weatherby and tikka are far ahead of the ruger and Remington in the budget rifle category in my opinion

Only downside to the Vanguard is they are heavy, I wouldn't want to carry one all day. I've been looking for a Tikka myself but there isn't much action on the EE for lefty rifles lately for whatever reason. They are known for their super smooth bolt, and like the Ruger they have less bolt rotation. That said, on all of my rifles the bolt handle hasn't been the limiting factor for scope height, the scope bell has been and thats with a 40mm scope (and one 50mm).


OP, my friend recently was in the same boat as you. He ended up buying a Browning Abolt 3 package from Cabelas. It came with a Leupold scope, and cost him something like $800 or $850 plus tax, which puts it right in your budget.
 
A common approach for inexperienced hunters is to spend near their limit on a rifle, and then cheap out on the scope. You do not want to do this - a quality scope is important, so factor that into your budget. I'd say $600 max for the rifle, and $400 for the scope. That said, a 1600 from TradeEx and a used Leupold from the EE and you could be under $700 all in.
 
Cabela's has the Ruger American in 270 on sale this weekend for $499. Assuming the bolt doesn't sound like opening a zipper (machining was rough on these when they first came out, I haven't heard many complaints about that lately but there isn't a lot of discussion about them these days either) then that would leave you with a healthy budget for a scope.
 
weatherby vanguard 11 in calibre of choice and a used vx11 2x7 or 3x9 and a set of tally one piece rings for under a grand if you shop carefully on the used market. the vanguard is a quality rifle that will last. the scopes suggested lifetime warranty.
 
Weatherby vanguard S2 is alot of rifle for the money. There's a 308 in the EE right now for $500, put the rest of your budget into a scope and you are all set. Tikka T3 is a great rifle as well and can be had for $700 used. Both the weatherby and tikka are far ahead of the ruger and Remington in the budget rifle category in my opinion

weatherby vanguard 11 in calibre of choice and a used vx11 2x7 or 3x9 and a set of tally one piece rings for under a grand if you shop carefully on the used market. the vanguard is a quality rifle that will last. the scopes suggested lifetime warranty.

Another vote for the Weatherby Vanguard S2. Really nice, solid rifles with a 3 position safety and bolt lock down. A little heavier than some of the other budget rifles but not a big issue in my mind. Check one out at your local gun store and see how it shoulders for you.
 
If I was in your shoes I'd get a Husqvarna 1600 in 30-06 from TradeEx, and put a Leupold 2-7 or 3-9 on it.

When I was first looking I tried a couple of the new budget rifles. I often wish I had take the advice given and bought a Husqvarna 1600 off the bat. I have since sold the budget guns and now own a few of the Husqvarnas...and am always looking for more.
 
Cabela's has the Ruger American in 270 on sale this weekend for $499. Assuming the bolt doesn't sound like opening a zipper (machining was rough on these when they first came out, I haven't heard many complaints about that lately but there isn't a lot of discussion about them these days either) then that would leave you with a healthy budget for a scope.

I saw that as well and took a look at 6 different Americans and they all had a pretty good zipper sound to them
 
6.5 Creedmoor is a good option too. Easy to load for, good for hunting and target shooting. I’m a quadriplegic so I’m a little more recoil sensitive than I used to be, and the 6.5 is a soft shooter. I’ve taken 3 bucks and this spring I took my first black bear with it. Only ran 35 yards. And like others have stated you might be better off getting a quality used rifle than a budget gun
 
I saw that as well and took a look at 6 different Americans and they all had a pretty good zipper sound to them

Thats too bad. I don't remember any zipper feeling/sound with the Ranch that I shot, but I only shot a few rounds and wasn't paying attention to whether it was happening or not and I was one a range with Ear pro doubled up.

Tell us more about where you plan to hunt? Terrain? Species? Backpacking?

While this info sure wouldn't hurt, I don't think the OP can really give an answer where a 308 or 270 in any of the above guns would be the wrong answer. While the cheap rifles have their downsides (axis has heavy bolt lift and unless you get the Axis II the trigger needs work, 783 has a bad bolt knob and the magazine on mine would only work with 1 or 3 rounds, not 2, the Ruger sounds like a zipper, the Mossbergs are Mossbergs... Actually, I had a Mossberg ATR100 that shot just fine, the blind magazine sucked but the 4x4/patriot rifles fix that issue. Best trigger of the bunch though..) but at the end of the day, they all go bang and they are all plenty accurate enough. Of the lot of I've owned (Rem 783, Axis, Mossberg ATR100) my axis was the only one with a magazine that didn't give me grief though - although the Axis mag sucks for single loading so I guess even it isn't perfect...
 
Savage 110/10s show up in the EE in the $400 often. If I was looking for another rifle with a solid proven action it would be one of those for that kind of money.
 
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