Investarms flintlock 50 cal

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I'm debating buying one used in like new condition with a tang sight, but I'm unsure of its value and dont want to get ripped off. What would be a good price to pay? And does anybody have any experience with them. Thanks in advance.

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If memory serves, Lyman acquired Investarms - and at least their earlier Great Plains rifles (excellent rifles, I've had a few and still have one) were actually rebranded Investarms. Google should be able to confirm my memory on that, but if that bears out then these days I'd expect anywhere from $250-$600 depending on condition. The latter being everything, of course.
 
Lyman did not buy out Investarms. Investarms made the Great Plains rifle for Lyman. Investarms is still making muzzleloaders while Lyman is no longer involved in black powder rifles.
As far as quality, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Investarms. I have several but I don't have a flintlock so can't speak to how good of a lock they have. Unless the gun is rough, consider yourself lucky if you get a flintlock version under $450.00.
Read your post again and I see you say in like new condition with a tang sight. With the sight, I would think it would fetch $600.00 if the gun is nice.
 
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gunsaholic said:
Lyman did not buy out Investarms. Investarms made the Great Plains rifle for Lyman. Investarms is still making muzzleloaders while Lyman is no longer involved in black powder rifles.
As far as quality, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Investarms. I have several but I don't have a flintlock so can't speak to how good of a lock they have. Unless the gun is rough, consider yourself lucky if you get a flintlock version under $450.00.
Read your post again and I see you say in like new condition with a tang sight. With the sight, I would think it would fetch $600.00 if the gun is nice.
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Thanks - I was on the right track but took a left turn :) I knew there was some connection there anyway
 
I thought the Euroarms cape guns were made by Antonio Zoli which is the buffalo hunter under the Zoli brand. At least mine is and a couple of others I've seen. I have a couple of Gallyons--they were made by Investarms.
 
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The Gallyon s and the Euroarms cape gun are the same gun both made by Investarms .Euroarms just named it the cape gun under their brand that’s all.If you have Sam Faladas black powder handbook you can see it in their shotgun section.The Buffalo hunter is nothing but a sporterized Zouave musket and was mainly sold by Navy Arms,two completely different guns with the Buffalo hunter being a rifle
 
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The Lyman (Interarms) GPR flintlock rifles are known to have soft frizzens. In excellent condition maybe $500.
I won't buy a used muzzleloader unless I see borescope pics of the inside of the barrel. Too many blackpowder shooters bought into the 'seasoning the barrel' belief and stored their muzzleloaders with bore butter or other unsuitable lubricants in a humid environment and they rusted and pitted. Especially in Manitoba. (not from @Gunsaholic. His are fantastic.) If you ask a seller what the bore and breech look like and he says " I don't know. I can't see down there" walk away.
 
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View attachment 647505Navy Arms Buffalo hunter
The Gallyon s and the Euroarms cape gun are the same gun both made by Investarms .Euroarms just named it the cape gun under their brand that’s all.If you have Sam Faladas black powder handbook you can see it in their shotgun section.The Buffalo hunter is nothing but a sporterized Zouave musket and was mainly sold by Navy Arms,two completely different guns with the Buffalo hunter being a rifle
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Yes, I had it backwards!! But regarding those Gallyons, they are very nice guns.
 
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New at a store in Dawson Creek.
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The Great Plains is decent rifle for a production gun. My wife has one in caplock and I cobbled together a flintlock kit years ago for my son. The comment on the soft frizzens is not unknown. The beauty of the GP is that if you like the rifle but have lockbissues, iirc, L&R makes a drop in replacement. It has been a long while but $850……..wow. Then again, the last time I bough black powder I paid $15 pound and thought that outrageous. My Dad had bought black when it was $3 pound. Everything is going up.
 
Chumlee Bumsnag said:
I won't buy a used muzzleloader unless I see borescope pics of the inside of the barrel. Too many blackpowder shooters bought into the 'seasoning the barrel' belief and stored their muzzleloaders with bore butter or other unsuitable lubricants in a humid environment and they rusted and pitted. Especially in Manitoba. (not from @Gunsaholic. His are fantastic.) If you ask a seller what the bore and breech look like and he says " I don't know. I can't see down there" walk away.
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Bought a Renegade from Manitoba once. The barrel in "good condition " was a mess. It was cheap and after a lot of elbow grease it was still rough but didn't shoot terribly. Eventually found a long range hunter barrel for it and haven't tried that yet.

A Great Plains is a really nice gun for a mass production traditional muzzle loader. I do know that many with flinters buy the aftermarket locks. In great condition they are a $500-600 gun in my opinion. $800 seems steep but then many nice Pedersoli or others are in that range and more.
 
I think there's a lot more muzzleloaders in Manitoba because of their hunting seasons so naturally there'd be more for sale from there. I also noticed a lot of the muzzleloading rifles from Manitoba are drilled and tapped for scopes for same reason. No disrespect for Manitobans in general. Just the ones who sell rusty rifles.
 
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