IPSC 2009 rule book
- Thread starter PeterPan
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Go here: http://www.ipsc.org/pdf/genasm32.pdf - see motions 20 on...
Other than "untraversable areas" and the metric target being gone. Not much.
Other than "untraversable areas" and the metric target being gone. Not much.
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- Halifax - NS
It was amended in the next motion, basically nullifying the rule change.
Here's how the rule read after the amendment:
4.3.1.2 IPSC Mini Poppers, which must be calibrated as specified in Appendix C, are approved metal targets designed to recognize power and are intended to simulate regular sized Poppers placed at greater distances. IPSC Mini Poppers may be included together with full sized IPSC Poppers in the same stage.
Minis and fulls are still OK in the same stage.
Thanks Sean
I'd been up for 18 hrs and panic set in
I didn't comprehend the next motion
People at some matches were stepping over Forword charge lines and around an obstacle then backing up on the other side"untraversable areas"
What would ever would bring that up ?
Claiming they didn't fire so no fault
If the MD wanted a mote full of water but it is not practical build
Now it can be designated as I under stand the theory behind the rule inseption
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- Halifax - NS
You have it exactly right.
Mobile-1's "smilie" was indicating he knows these people
Untraversable is a nice addition to help L2 Match Directors on budgets.
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To many long days I didn't notice the "smilie"You have it exactly right.
Mobile-1's "smilie" was indicating he knows these people
Untraversable is a nice addition to help L2 Match Directors on budgets.
But others may need the example
Another item we have on a budget is time
When we set up our 2 one day qualifiers (weekend) it involves Friday afternoon set up for Saturday morning match
Saturday after the match reset everything for Sunday
Prefab Walls and stages designed to work togeather help
But you still get people looking to beat the stage in ways not intended by the intent of the MDs plan
Often due to quick set up or oversight
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That's called freestyle.
stormbringer
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So is there a rule against kicking down all the hard cover wall's in a match???
is it the MD's fault that he didn't plan for a 250lb guy to kick down walls so that he can just shoot what he sees?? why run 40 feet to shoot a popper through a window, when I can just kick down this wall quicker..
that's free style...
Other than you like to argue...I have no idea how you went from "non transversable areas" to kicking down the props...
However, to answer your question...no modification can be made to the course constrcution unless approved by the RM (2.3). If this happened at a match, the course of fire would be restored and the competitor in question would be forced to reshoot...
If it happened again the competitor would become intimate with rule 10.6
The problem with untransversable areas is...well just picture a mouse going throgh a maze...you'll get the idea.
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It's about time you chimed in.
Folks, let me tell you about Madness and his "untraversable area" run in at the World Shoot in Ecuador.
The stage was a complicated long course with mutiple views of the same targets. In one area, the course designers had erected a garden fence to indicate where not to go. Of course, Madness with is great height could easily step over this fence and go to another part of a stage. He figured it would save him considerable time rather than running around another wall. (he now had to go 10 feet instead of 20)
So after the walkthru, and during the 5 minute "figure it out" time - Madness asks the CRO (after I told him he can't win) and is told "No." Not good enough. He calls for the Area CRO. The Area CRO says "No." Not good enough. The Area CRO gets on the radio with the RM. The RM says "get lost." Tick Tock..Tick Tock...
Now it's Madness' turn and he hasn't had any time to scope the stage because he blew it all trying to game the rule book. Can you say "poetic justice?"
Granted the stage construction crew should have put up a 3' fence, but in Ecuador, they had never saw someone of Madness' freakish size so they used the 1' one.
The new "Untraversable area" rule would have settled this quickly and Madness would have had his answer quick enough to spend some time scoping the stage.
But IPSC is freestyle!!! Yes. Within the confines of what the MD/RM wanted.
Next time you think otherwise, think of Madness standing in the start position of a complicated 32 round long course with no clue what to do. You'll be next.
It comes down to this: Don't think for a minute this new rule is going to get L3 designers off the hook from building a real "untraversable" area - It won't be approved.
We don't want to take away from the game as Madness properly points out.
This is in the rule book for the same reason as we allow "mandatory" stuff. Because we know L1 and L2 matches are often built in an evening or the day before and the budgets are tighter and the help is even less plentiful. We should all strive to make out L2s like L3s, but IPSC knows that in reality, it's not always possible.
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stormbringer
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- S.W. Ontario
And if it would take MORE MATERIAL (ie walls) that the club does not have to achieve this? Then what? Does not saying "you cannnot travel here" compel you?
At this past Ont Provincials we had over 150 walls built for the match.
In the end we STILL ended up using walls that we had disgarded as "unserviceable" to make up the stages and there were still a few places that I would like to have covered so as to compel people.
I guess the solution of course is to either just put up less stages in a match so as to conserve the materials required, or just not bother at all.
Oh btw I have a nice video of "someone" doing exactly what I wanted to prevent but did not have enough walls to do so. That will certainly haunt me in terms of range and match construction for some time. It was not unsafe but it was achievable only by people of a certain body shape that rendered it unavailable for most people.........
Because we know L1 and L2 matches are often built in an evening or the day before and the budgets are tighter and the help is even less plentiful. We should all strive to make out L2s like L3s, but IPSC knows that in reality, it's not always possible.[/QUOTE]
But this wording in the rule change goes against L1 and L2 that are built on short notice doesn't it? Does that mean that a match copy has to be posted to do so?
Full details of the untraversable areas must be published in advance of the match and must be included in the written stage briefing!
But this wording in the rule change goes against L1 and L2 that are built on short notice doesn't it? Does that mean that a match copy has to be posted to do so?
Full details of the untraversable areas must be published in advance of the match and must be included in the written stage briefing!
