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That doesn't mean it won't be in the stage briefing and even L3s don't always have stage details pre-published.
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Some times it's Gaming
You may beat me as a MD on a stage but next time I've learnt and that loop hole will be closed.It will make me a better stage designer
And my budget will be higher next year
At most L2 matches here we try to set up and run like a L3
Except at a level 3 MUCH MORE time (and money)would be spent on props and set up.
In some cases yes it is.
In others it is not........
Some times it's Gaming
You may beat me as a MD on a stage but next time I've learnt and that loop hole will be closed.It will make me a better stage designer
And my budget will be higher next year
At most L2 matches here we try to set up and run like a L3
Except at a level 3 MUCH MORE time (and money)would be spent on props and set up.
One-upping a gamer doesn't necessarily make you a better stage designer. It may mean that you spent a lot of energy trying to stop the gamer from finding a better solution and to shoot the stage the same old way as everyone else.
Gamers are thinking 'outside of your box' and your determined to stop them.
It seems more and more that the goal of the stage designer is prevent the shooter from......or force the shooter to.......rather than testing a competitors shooting skills.
ahh so everyone who posts a response to one of your posts is accused of liking to argue.. I wonder who woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.
um...no. Just stating a fact
The fact is I like to discuss things.. arguing is a whole different matter.. if I was insulting your shooting, or saying you are a complete idiot.. then I would be arguing..
but like I said.. I'm not arguing..
The fact is I like to discuss things.. arguing is a whole different matter.. if I was insulting your shooting, or saying you are a complete idiot.. then I would be arguing..
but like I said.. I'm not arguing..
Point taken...
I think this is a good time to make a point here. As a stage designer, for me at least, I want to have as many options built into the stage as I can. I like to give shooters choices. Sometimes it will be a tight shoot, like maybe a deliberate 1 inch gap between two not shoots to give you a D. Other times it might be an option on the start, right, left, or centre. The best of course is when you can give three or four choices in now to shoot the stage.
However as the rule is proposed, it will make things a bit easier for MD's. A perfect example would have been the snakes and ladders stage at Nationals in Lethbridge. I could have just run fault lines instead of having to put up pegs and rope to make a corridor.
However as the rule is proposed, it will make things a bit easier for MD's. A perfect example would have been the snakes and ladders stage at Nationals in Lethbridge. I could have just run fault lines instead of having to put up pegs and rope to make a corridor.
stormbringer
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You have video of me climbimg the side of your bridge?? It may not have been unsafe, but it did require throwing a little caution to the wind, cleats and wet wood don't go well together.
You don't have to use walls, caution tape at the right height works well, Nationals had that this year. If that tape would have been a few inches lower, or they used fault lines instead that stage would have been completely different. Throw a barrel or 2 in the area so that if a shooter wants to cut a corner it won't be at full speed.
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It's about time you chimed in.
Folks, let me tell you about Madness and his "untraversable area" run in at the World Shoot in Ecuador.
The stage was a complicated long course with mutiple views of the same targets. In one area, the course designers had erected a garden fence to indicate where not to go. Of course, Madness with is great height could easily step over this fence and go to another part of a stage. He figured it would save him considerable time rather than running around another wall. (he now had to go 10 feet instead of 20)
So after the walkthru, and during the 5 minute "figure it out" time - Madness asks the CRO (after I told him he can't win) and is told "No." Not good enough. He calls for the Area CRO. The Area CRO says "No." Not good enough. The Area CRO gets on the radio with the RM. The RM says "get lost." Tick Tock..Tick Tock...
Now it's Madness' turn and he hasn't had any time to scope the stage because he blew it all trying to game the rule book. Can you say "poetic justice?"
Granted the stage construction crew should have put up a 3' fence, but in Ecuador, they had never saw someone of Madness' freakish size so they used the 1' one.
The new "Untraversable area" rule would have settled this quickly and Madness would have had his answer quick enough to spend some time scoping the stage.
But IPSC is freestyle!!! Yes. Within the confines of what the MD/RM wanted.
Next time you think otherwise, think of Madness standing in the start position of a complicated 32 round long course with no clue what to do. You'll be next.
It comes down to this: Don't think for a minute this new rule is going to get L3 designers off the hook from building a real "untraversable" area - It won't be approved.
We don't want to take away from the game as Madness properly points out.
This is in the rule book for the same reason as we allow "mandatory" stuff. Because we know L1 and L2 matches are often built in an evening or the day before and the budgets are tighter and the help is even less plentiful. We should all strive to make out L2s like L3s, but IPSC knows that in reality, it's not always possible.
The lesson there is very simple, its easier to ask for forgivness then seek approval. Next time I won't ask. The reason I was told I couldn't was first, that walls go to the sky, so how can we shoot the targets on the ground on the other side of the fence?. Then I was told you can't step out of the shooting area then re-enter by someone pretty high up in the IPSC/IROA ranks, I called bull#### on that right away, So they changed the reason to that it wasn't safe for a short person to step over the fence so I couldn't.
It was a valid plan that cut out a lot of running back and forth and created a smoother target sequence, but we'll never know if it was quicker
stormbringer
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I don't but 7.62mm caught it.....
The 2x4 cross braces on the bridge supports were left over from Drama Daze II when they were used as ramps on the mogul stage. However they were actually the strongest part of the construction as it turns out so we had to leave them in place to keep the whole thing from falling apart.
So I had planned on putting up some sort of barrier in front of them.....but as I pointed out above we were short on time and short on material so it never came about.
Heck the whole running across the front was never "intended" but was allowed. If I ever host another match I guess I will have to invest in a crap load of 3 foot tall fences to outline the areas (for a L3 which I doubt I will ever host again) or use the new rule for any L2 that I MD or help MD on.
http://gs81.photobucket.com/groups/j210/8DHJ7GSX19/?action=view¤t=BridgeToTheBlackGate2.flv
That said you are at 26.58 seconds where the winner is at 20.77 seconds.........partly I think due to your having to reshoot a couple of targets I hope in part for having a less stable shooting platform.........
Heck a crappy shooter like me did it in 31.09 but I had two Mikes to contend with..
Funny thing is Eric did it the "way it was intended" and pulled it off in 17 seconds!! So I guess talent evens everything out.
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spreading out the center array so that there wasn't a "sweet spot" or a target that you could only see on while on the left ramp, would have stopped me from going that route. No need for extra props.
I had a stable posotion, just wasn't shooting well that day. I wasn't 100% sure it was a better way, mostly did it just to be the jackass that climbed up the side.
I had a stable posotion, just wasn't shooting well that day. I wasn't 100% sure it was a better way, mostly did it just to be the jackass that climbed up the side.
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stormbringer
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I wasn't 100% sure it was a better way, mostly did it just to be the jackass that climbed up the side.
Well in that case I am happy that it was caught on tape.
Otherwise I would never have seen it.......
It is amazing how little shooting you acutally see while MD.
I just found the video last week.........
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And in the same circumstances next time, you'll reshoot
Don't get me wrong - I couldn't have had better squadmates in Ecaudor. It was truly a pleasure shooting with you and Filthy1. A great time.
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Princess Auto often sells nice plastic fence posts that you run cables or rope (or electrified wires
) between for around $1 ea. $20 will get you about 30' of fencing including the rope.
I'm not spending a lot of energy trying to stop a gamer
Just learned to spend more attention to details on stage construction which is something else
The original challange was planed on paper (or computer)
Gamers are not thinking outside the box but look for flaws in stage construction they can exploit
