IPSC 2009 rule book

I'm not sure I like the word "gamer"

At the end of the day...the goal is to shoot more points per second than the next person. If someone figures out something that you didn't...they are immediatly labled a gamer...:rolleyes:

If there are people on the range slightly smarter than you (at least when it comes to breaking down a stage) stop with the lables and pay attention...maybe you'll learn something. :cool:
 
The point is, was and will be Quigley just how much TIME, MONEY and EFFORT does one put into stage design with regard to regulating the flow of competitors.

There simply must be a limit.

The new rule helps to a great deal in this area and I welcome it.
 
stormbringer said:
The point is, was and will be Quigley just how much TIME, MONEY and EFFORT does one put into stage design with regard to regulating the flow of competitors.

There simply must be a limit.

The new rule helps to a great deal in this area and I welcome it.
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My above comment has nothing to do with the new rule...just the general direction of this thread regarding anyone doing anything that's "outside the box"
 
stormbringer said:
The point is, was and will be Quigley just how much TIME, MONEY and EFFORT does one put into stage design with regard to regulating the flow of competitors.
There simply must be a limit.

The new rule helps to a great deal in this area and I welcome it.
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Why do you insist on regulating the flow? The new rule puts people in a parade and I hate it.


Spot the 'gamer'

:shotgun::shotgun::shotgun::shotgun::shotgun: ...... :shotgun::shotgun::shotgun::shotgun:
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"gamers" seem to be anyone who is able to think on their feet rather then someone who just does what everyone elses does.
Prime example would be a stage where you have to start standing "holding a magazine with both hands". So the first shooter goes and holds the magazine in front of his face like he's reading it, the next shooter holds it so that their strong hand is right next to the gun. The second shooter is going to get called a gamer, when the first shooter should be getting the gears for doing it wrong.
I'm rather proud of being known as a gamer, it means I can think for myself.
 
Quigley said:
My above comment has nothing to do with the new rule...just the general direction of this thread regarding anyone doing anything that's "outside the box"
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Oh I like people who "think outside the box".

When it happens to me as a MD I generally say .........wow I never thought of that. Cool approach!!


BUT!!

When you can spend only so much time on a stage and you have people pull "stunts" then it gets a tad annoying.

The requirement of having ropes etc to denote the areas in question is an ample ruling.

Why should I have to spend an extra few Saturdays building Wall after wall..........let alone STORING the walls after the match when I can now just put up rope barriers that can be stored in a box and as posted above only costs me $20.
 
stormbringer said:
Oh I like people who "think outside the box".

When it happens to me as a MD I generally say .........wow I never thought of that. Cool approach!!


BUT!!

When you can spend only so much time on a stage and you have people pull "stunts" then it gets a tad annoying.

The requirement of having ropes etc to denote the areas in question is an ample ruling.

Why should I have to spend an extra few Saturdays building Wall after wall..........let alone STORING the walls after the match when I can now just put up rope barriers that can be stored in a box and as posted above only costs me $20.
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I think we might be comparing apples with oranges a little bit here. Some folks might "tend" to pull these stunts to make a point...whatever that might be....and they get labeled with the same "Gamer" moniker as someone who will see something in a stage that perhaps no one else did, estimate whether or not there will be a clock-time advantage to executing it that way, and quite methodically proceed accordingly and wring very tenth of a second possible out of the stage by whatever means they have ascertained will be the most effective. They will calculate angles and times and weigh all of the options before deciding what is the best way to gain the most advantage on the stage according to their own strengths and weaknesses. Real gamers don't take cavalier risks; they are more interested in winning.

Anyway, the term "gamer" really means a lateral thinking creative problem solver, doesn't it? That kind of mind set can only enhance this great sport.

Merry Christmas everyone! Happy New Year also.

R
 
There's a big difference within gaming the stage.

flinter said:
Gamers are not thinking outside the box but look for flaws in stage construction they can exploit
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These people need to be controlled and can be easily done so by a competent CRO who just says "NO." or "RESHOOT."
They won't like it, but if they don't - they can leave - we don't need them.

while

Madness said:
"gamers" seem to be anyone who is able to think on their feet rather then someone who just does what everyone elses does.
Prime example would be a stage where you have to start standing "holding a magazine with both hands"...
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and

relliott said:
...someone who will see something in a stage that perhaps no one else did, estimate whether or not there will be a clock-time advantage to executing it that way, and quite methodically proceed accordingly and wring very tenth of a second possible out of the stage by whatever means they have ascertained will be the most effective. They will calculate angles and times and weigh all of the options before deciding what is the best way to gain the most advantage on the stage according to their own strengths and weaknesses. Real gamers don't take cavalier risks; they are more interested in winning.
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These people are to be fed opprotunities...
 
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