IPSC and lead 124 9mm for reloading

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This may be best in the reloading forum but i shoot IPSC in a club setting. I have been collecting my brass and decided to start reloading. I have everything i need but the projectiles. I was looking at getting 1000 rounds of 115gr full metal jacket to start. But everyone in my aria (New Brunswick) is sold out and telling me it could be difficult to get. They all seem to have a good stock of lead 124gn and 147gr.

Would lead be a good choice? What would the advantage or disadvantage to it be for ipsc? Do most of you who reload ipsc avoid it or use it?
 
My preference is for jacketed bullets, but I believe the appropriate phrase here is, "Any port in a storm!" :)

I still use lead extensively for practice since I have a pile of it accumulated from people that quit shooting that caliber and gave it away.
 
ssbn506 said:
Would lead be a good choice? What would the advantage or disadvantage to it be for ipsc? Do most of you who reload ipsc avoid it or use it?
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Most of us shoots TMJ because they are readily available and are cheap (CamPro). I try to avoid lead because of the smoke. If you shoot a lot, it might be an issue, specially if it's an indoor range.
 
Antoine22 said:
Most of us shoots TMJ because they are readily available and are cheap (CamPro). I try to avoid lead because of the smoke. If you shoot a lot, it might be an issue, specially if it's an indoor range.
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I would prefer TMJ but haven't found a good local source yet. Any suggestions on good mail order sources? Who is CamPro?
 
CamPro is a Canadian manufacture of bullets in Montreal. They are available from a variety of retailers and reloading suppliers across Canada. If you tell us where you are we can probably hook you up.
I shoot pretty extensively on an indoor range and only shoot FMJ bullets (Campro 147gr), however lead is worse on outdoor ranges I find. At least on an indoor the air is usually being pulled away from you, on an outdoor it is often blown back at you, or just hangs there.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Fixed it for you. ;)

CamPro Official dealer list here:
h ttp://www.metoplus.com/camproeng#!__camproeng/distributors

Great people, good product, good prices.
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I assume you have it at Freedom Ventures? I have bought a few things from you in the past and will email you directly for the cost.
 
ssbn506 said:
... lead 124gn and 147gr.

Would lead be a good choice? What would the advantage or disadvantage to it be for ipsc?
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I prefer jacketed or plated bullets for the reasons mentioned above, but I have shot a lot of plain lead bullets. I would stay away from 124gr lead, I found that I would get a lot of leading followed by poor accuracy and tumbling bullets. I've heard that this is pretty common when pushing lead past 1000fps.

147's work great with a wide variety of powders but you will have to put up with the smoke and probably more regular cleaning of the pistol.
 
I had some bullets that were moly coated or something and I found them niceto shoot, cheap, not dirty or smoky, but I have not seen any since.
 
send a message to maurice that is his handle here. He is in moncton and is a distributor for canadian bdx bullets.

He said his shipment had come in about two weeks ago.

I think his company is called nb ammo sales

jbd
 
124 grain 9mm traditional single-groove hard-lube designs are good to go for 1000 - 1050 FPS velocity. Accurate enough IMO.

I have a problem with keyholing at the same velocities with Lee Tumble Lube 124 grain TC design. IMO, there's not enough bearing surface on TL designs to grab the rifling to stabilize the bullet.

Lead bullets are cheaper, so may be worth trying some loads with them and see if they are accurate enough and pass chrono test for minimum power factor plus a little allowance.
 
ben hunchak said:
If bullet tumbling, with cast bullets, is common at over 1000fps, then I'm in a heap of trouble!!!!
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It isn't and cast lead boolits in 9MM can be driven over 1100fps without leading. Key is sizing then the type of lube used.

For the 9MM I size all my boolits .357, I have had tumbling at less that 5 yards when using boolits sized .356.

The 9MM rifling in most 9MM guns is at it's best when shooting 124/125gr boolits. The 147's were originally designed for use in supressed guns. Heavier boolits loaded to the same power factor as lighter ones have the benefit of less recoil, hence that weights popularity in IDPA/IPSC.

If you cast your own boolits size to .357 and your tumbling should disappear. If you are experiencing leading as well go to a soft lube. Hard lubes, used by commercial castors may make shippng boolits in bulk less messy but hard lubes, often crayon based, just don't work as well as soft lubes.

If your ccommercial cast boolits are sized .356 you likely are going to experience tumbling and less than optimum accuracy. Try another supplier.

Can-Pro bullets are excellent as well if you are going to plated bullets.

Take Care

Bob
 
ssbn506 said:
This may be best in the reloading forum but i shoot IPSC in a club setting. I have been collecting my brass and decided to start reloading. I have everything i need but the projectiles. I was looking at getting 1000 rounds of 115gr full metal jacket to start. But everyone in my aria (New Brunswick) is sold out and telling me it could be difficult to get. They all seem to have a good stock of lead 124gn and 147gr.

Would lead be a good choice? What would the advantage or disadvantage to it be for ipsc? Do most of you who reload ipsc avoid it or use it?
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Just in case you aren't aware the minimum weight for 9mm to shoot major is 120 grs. Anything lighter is not allowed to shoot in major as it will be deemed unsafe ammunition, at least in Open. Not a issue in other divisions since you will be only able to shoot minor with that caliber.
 
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JBD said:
send a message to maurice that is his handle here. He is in moncton and is a distributor for canadian bdx bullets.

He said his shipment had come in about two weeks ago.

I think his company is called nb ammo sales

jbd
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Thanks Jason.:)
 
SVISTI1911 said:
Just in case you aren't aware the minimum weight for 9mm to shoot major is 120 grs. Anything lighter is not allowed to shoot in major as it will be deemed unsafe ammunition, at least in Open. Not a issue in other divisions since you will be only able to shoot minor with that caliber.
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9 mm 115's are just fine for production.
 
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