IPSC and the CFO? Holster carry between ranges?

Bagging between ranges is just another example of some idjit playing God - it has NOTHING to do with safety, and if the people imposing this B.S. actually knew anything about IPSC , IDPA, CAAS, etc, they would realize this.
however, they ( the CFO's responsible) simply want to be A-holes, and they are doing a pretty good job of it.
Thank the Lord ours out here are a bit more realistic!
Cat
 
ipsc1 said:
hmm, recently at our club there was a concern raised by shotgun members about carry of pistols between ranges and someone claimed it was the law to bag between ranges and that we needed to make it a club policy. The policy change was tabled and the CFO contacted. Their reply was that transport was to a club with an approved range. Once on property, transport rules were not in effect. This is Nova Scotia however, Our CFO has yet to feel the need to impose the same sort of conditions the Ontario CFO happens to like.
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This sounds like gun owner vs gun owner again:mad::(
 
This seems to be a local club situation and has nothing to do with the CFO's. Certainly the law says you carry bagged to the range, once there you are good to go. Sometimes I think we are our own worst enemies!

Take Care

Bob
 
Plink said:
:agree:

Looks like the shotgunners opened up a can of worms for the IPSC and handgun shooters.

Thanks a lot folks....
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well, at least it wasn't a covert move. someone who either didn't know better or who had been given bad info brought his concerns to the executive, the matter was brought up at a club meeting, action was delayed until inquiries could be made, the truth was discovered and will be reported at the next meeting. So, no harm, no foul, club procedures dealt with the issue in a satisfactory manner.

The timing of the concern was just after a cowboy shoot, which is new at our club. The safety issues of holstered firearms had been adrressed in regards to IPSC many years ago, just needed to be answered in relation to a different sport.
 
This topic has been kicked around this site many times.
As I remember the outcome of most of it is the CFO's give you a ATT to transport from your home to your approved range ( or ranges). Your club property is not a range in the CFO's eyes, it is only a bussiness location of the shooting club (assuming you got that paperwork from them) at best. Range approvals are for the actual shooting bay, its not uncommon for a shooting club to have many ranges on their property. If your CFO has had a bad day and or an ax to grind with you or if your club seeks clarification on this with them they seem to formulate the opinion that bagging it between ranges is required. I also seem to recall that if it was a sanctioned match that open carry on site was OK with them, however that was in a different province.
Perhaps using the sanctioned match angle may work?
 
I think what it is, ranges get recommendations from CFO, one of them is holstering between ranges, which looks like not a big deal at first.
Most of the shooters use one range anyway. Problem starts at Level II and up matches, where people realize how stupid it is to bag the equipment and move to next bay.
I wonder if range can wave this for a match?

At the match in Barrie, I hear one guy saying, whats a big deal bagging firearms....
I told him, it is a big deal, today we bag, tomorrow we end-up shooting airguns...
 
PeterPan said:
I think what it is, ranges get recommendations from CFO, one of them is holstering between ranges, which looks like not a big deal at first.
Most of the shooters use one range anyway. Problem starts at Level II and up matches, where people realize how stupid it is to bag the equipment and move to next bay.
I wonder if range can wave this for a match?

At the match in Barrie, I hear one guy saying, whats a big deal bagging firearms....
I told him, it is a big deal, today we bag, tomorrow we end-up shooting airguns...
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Won't IPSC be lots of fun if you can only shoot from a static position, (and of course with baffles that limit where you can aim) and then bag to move to the next position.
 
RUPZUK said:
This topic has been kicked around this site many times.
As I remember the outcome of most of it is the CFO's give you a ATT to transport from your home to your approved range ( or ranges). Your club property is not a range in the CFO's eyes, it is only a bussiness location of the shooting club (assuming you got that paperwork from them) at best. Range approvals are for the actual shooting bay, its not uncommon for a shooting club to have many ranges on their property. If your CFO has had a bad day and or an ax to grind with you or if your club seeks clarification on this with them they seem to formulate the opinion that bagging it between ranges is required. I also seem to recall that if it was a sanctioned match that open carry on site was OK with them, however that was in a different province.
Perhaps using the sanctioned match angle may work?
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So an ATT would have to specify each shooting bay? And then a STATT to go from range to range?

Maybe the CFO's eyes should focus on reading the law instead of inventing it.
 
joe-nwt said:
So an ATT would have to specify each shooting bay? And then a STATT to go from range to range?

Maybe the CFO's eyes should focus on reading the law instead of inventing it.
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I agree, but your LTATT usually stipulates to and from all approved ranges in your province ('s in some cases) so a STATT isn't required. As for reading the law,as far as I can see they have. Unforunately the law sucks. Might want to remember that when you vote...
 
Maybe the CFO is just trying to protect his job - how many supervisors buy in to some crazy a$$ idea and think their subordinates are doing their job (to the best of their ability)? How many points will he get on his annual assessment?
 
Dragoon said:
So what you're saying is that the Ontario CFO is the only one correctly unterpreting the law and all the others are allowing the law to be broken?

Give me a break......:rolleyes:
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No, I figure some cfo's are OK and just want to put in an 8 hour day and go home, I'm sure they found enough paperwork to watch the day go by. But some seem to want to "save the world" and they really seem to get off on f#$king us over. I would imagine the one your stuck with depends on which party appointed him.

stormbringer said:
The CFO needs glasses.
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And perhaps a therapist, maybe a life, good stiff drink maybe, perhaps a woman, or all the above...
 
There is an often quoted saying in business. "Better to ask for forgiveness rather than for permission". The latter is something some here have forgotten.

If someone can send me a copy of correspondence from the Ontario CFO regarding this matter I will be more than happy express IDPA Canada's concerns regarding such a ruling. I doubt, however, such a ruling exists. It makes no sense.

Take Care

Bob
 
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