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with the recent announcment about silverdale only accepting ipsc black badge course as qualification to use thier holster/rapid fire range what do the instructors think about teaching a bunch of people black badge, not for the betterment of the sport but for simple range qualification ??

with the limited number of training slots available my personal opinion is ipsc canada should issue a cease and desist letter....... yes the conversion rate of people trained to people shooting ipsc is already low, but this will only lead to further dilution and waste of instructors time.

what are your thoughts ?
 
I am a memeber at Silverdale and really getting annoyed with this. I just recently got Recertified with Alex at Silverdale. Have shot two matches there since and get asked about it every time I go there.

kinda makes me feel like I am doing something wrong.
 
With the growing popularity of action shooting, I would like to see the development of a black badge 'style' of course that isn't tied to IPSC, but is recognized by other shooting disciplines as well as the CFO.
 
Or, we can take this as an opportunity.

Certify a s88tload of new shooters, get them into IPSC (they'll be hooked, many of them) and grow IPSC like it's never grown before!!

It would require serious committment from the people qualifed to teach BB and from a range wiling to put on frequent training sessions. Silverdale could dedicate a range to a BB each week (as a goodwill measure). Right now each BB course sells out right away, and there's a great demand for more courses.
 
Surveyor780 said:
With the growing popularity of action shooting, I would like to see the development of a black badge 'style' of course that isn't tied to IPSC, but is recognized by other shooting disciplines as well as the CFO.
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Wearing out our BB instructors so everyone can have holster certification is not the answer. It's tough enough on them the way things are. Getting a holster course not held by a BB instructor recognized regionally might be a challenge, but not an impossibility.
 
Yes, I agree. I don't think it should be up to IPSC to certify every person in Canada who wants to draw from a holster. There needs to be some recognized certification other than the BB.
 
I agree in part with the comment above. The BB course is not a holster certification. It serves to get people familiar with the IPSC rule book and demonstrate basic proficiency with a firearm and holster. The really challenge in using IPSC BB as a base level qualification is that unless you are active in IPSC, you BB is not valid.

Frankly I don't like IPSC. It's just not for me. I've tried it at un-sanctioned events (3 gun) and don't care for sports that require me to do everything as fast as I possibly can.
I've taken the BB course but never bothered to actually get to a match at get my BB. I have no motivation. It was good to do the course so I know what was involved but that's it for me and IPSC.

So based on the OP, everybody should have to be an IPSC member in order to use a holster, regardless of their interest in IPSC events? I hope not.

Holster qualification course? In order to be safe with a holster you have to be able to draw a gun out and put it back without tripping the trigger right? Really? Do we need a course for this? It's not that hard.

Now, to draw a gun fast and get it on target quickly , yes shooters would get some benefit from that I think, just learning techniques and such. The safety aspect would almost be a by product IMO.
 
People here are confusing a "holster course" with an IPSC Black Badge course. The difference is - Holster course is 2 hour course covering - where and how to "safely" unbag and holster the handgun (use of the safety area) where the hangun maybe be " handled" AND where it MAY NOT; likewise where ammo may be handled and where it may not. Then the simple draw and fire from a stationary, standing facing downrange position. First done in slow motion and dry firing stressing the proper standing position and two handed shooting grip. Introduction to acquiring the "natural standing sight alignment" position. THEN expanded into live firing exercises at 7yds employing the newly introduced concepts. A SMOOTH deliberate draw is stressed with NO requirement for a "fast draw", as the concept of "with SMOOTHNESS comes SPEED".

The IPSC Black Badge course is a CONCENTRATED FULL two day course including the holster course, but expanding into various shooting positions - strong hand, weak hand, shooting on the move, reloading on the move, shooting around barricades, various starting positions /shooting positions working up to a demanding accuracy/speed qualifying "test". AND hours of classroom work on the IPSC rulebook.

I hope this may clarify the SIGNICANT difference between a good holster course ( which would serve the needs of Clubs) and the un-necessary use of valuable instructor and range resouces for a full blown IPSC Black Badge course.
 
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People here are confusing a "holster course" with an IPSC Black Badge course.
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I don't think anyone here is confused about that. I think that the OP was referring to the fact that a BB is universally recognized as sufficient proof that a shooter has demonstrated their ability to safely use a holster, amongst other things.
 
Bolivar said:
I agree in part with the comment above. The BB course is not a holster certification. It serves to get people familiar with the IPSC rule book and demonstrate basic proficiency with a firearm and holster. The really challenge in using IPSC BB as a base level qualification is that unless you are active in IPSC, you BB is not valid.

Frankly I don't like IPSC. It's just not for me. I've tried it at un-sanctioned events (3 gun) and don't care for sports that require me to do everything as fast as I possibly can.
I've taken the BB course but never bothered to actually get to a match at get my BB. I have no motivation. It was good to do the course so I know what was involved but that's it for me and IPSC.

So based on the OP, everybody should have to be an IPSC member in order to use a holster, regardless of their interest in IPSC events? I hope not.

Holster qualification course? In order to be safe with a holster you have to be able to draw a gun out and put it back without tripping the trigger right? Really? Do we need a course for this? It's not that hard.

Now, to draw a gun fast and get it on target quickly , yes shooters would get some benefit from that I think, just learning techniques and such. The safety aspect would almost be a by product IMO.
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i agree / same opinion / from don
 
@Tinkerbell,
I'd like to know how IPSC Canada could issue a cease and desist letter. People want the course, they are entitled to take it. Exactly how are you thinking people are going to be forced to only take it if they actually then compete? The more people who take the course, the more people who will be exposed to the sport, who may then become future match directors or instructors themselves.
 
Silverdale is going through some tough times and people should have patience.

This too shall blow over, and more reasonable holster rules will return.
 
The Club has been cleared of any negligence with the mishap that occurred as I`m sure the group involved will also imo. We are trying to make the best of a bad situation and my meeting today with the CFO did clear the club. No CFO restrictions coming forth this time for a change. We are looking at a couple of things to improve room for the folks who use holsters and enjoy rapid fire and I have recommended a shotgun setup as well for bird shot (#7,8 and 9) so 3 gun can be practiced. I contacted one group and a second will be in the works to help stream line improvements and help limit or remove some restrictions. Please bear with me as the smoke is slowly clearing. I want these guys/gals coming and having fun, as for a type of holster qualification again bear with me because this will be the hard part to get by. I am willing to take recommendations from people via pm especially club executives.
I will try to keep everyone updated on my progress regarding this but I do ask everyone to remain polite and respectful.
Respectfully
Hondaryder
 
Bolivar said:
Holster qualification course? In order to be safe with a holster you have to be able to draw a gun out and put it back without tripping the trigger right? Really? Do we need a course for this? It's not that hard.
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Gets a bit harder on the newb while he's under stress AND learning a whole bunch of new stuff. Comes naturally to those who have been at it for a while, but I still remember how nervous I was when I took the course. First 5 shots were mikes (on a standard IPSC target) from 10yds lol... Also as others mentioned, it's really a 2 day intensive course, a primer for the sport, from properly drawing the gun to minimize your draw times in a sport where split seconds count, to the Isosceles stance, to various positions and hand combinations... My background in handgun shooting was as follows:
1) 2 months and 700rds
2) Never practiced one handed (turned out to be a BIG snag at the course)
3) Was specifically warned not to practice holstering/unholstering (easier to learn something new than to unlearn bad habits)
4) Never practiced under time stress, just slow, deliberate shots off the line
 
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