IPSC classic 45 acp major loads

To add to your discussion - note Rule 1.2.1.1 - 1.2.1.3 "must not require more than 9 scoring hits from any single location or view"
This would also limit the # of static mag changes with major in classic - not eliminate it - someone might load 9, then run all 9 a the first engagement, then need 9 at the second engagement - but it should play into your logical exercise.
 
ivan said:
If you want to look around at what others are shooting in this Division, take a look south of the border at the results in Single Stack division in USPSA (it's close enough to our Classic division to be meaningful).

At the 2013 Single Stack Nationals 89 of the top 100 shot Major, and one of those 11 that shot minor didn't want to (ie: problems with chronographing).

If Major is good enough for Rob Leatham, it's good enough for me.
-ivan-
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ivan, you can't really generalize anything from SS Nationals results. That match was practically biased around 8 rounds.

Freedom Ventures said:
To add to your discussion - note Rule 1.2.1.1 - 1.2.1.3 "must not require more than 9 scoring hits from any single location or view"
This would also limit the # of static mag changes with major in classic - not eliminate it - someone might load 9, then run all 9 a the first engagement, then need 9 at the second engagement - but it should play into your logical exercise.
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Sean, the rule says "must not require", but not "must prohibit more than 9 hits". :)
In my recollection there were number of stages where you could benefit from 11 rounds in the gun.

Anyhow, personally I am just too lazy to load another caliber. So, I'm running 9mm all the way trough! :D
 
euxx said:
ivan, you can't really generalize anything from SS Nationals results. That match was practically biased around 8 rounds.
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The match was not all that dissimilar to most US matches (ie: other than the Standard exercises, it could have passed for any other Area match). I did ok at that match and didn't find it much different from most Canadian matches either.

-ivan-
 
Eugene, I hear you. My case in point, was the match at Sharon on the weekend. First stage was 3 classics through window on left, 2 on right. If you found the right starting position, then all could be engaged from one position. A reload would have cost me dearly (although the one D did anyway.....there was my extra point if major lol).

However, through the match, I hit about 65% A's, with 5-6 D's (we won't discuss the no shoot......lol). Only 2 areas's really were helped by 10 rounds. By my calculation, I could have gained almost 5 percentage points with major loads (and I handle recoil just fine so that's a moot point).

I think I am going to try to be fluid, in that I approach each match and try to weight the 2 out.

I know I am going to get some flack either way, but unless I am hitting 85% A's, to me I would tend to start to lean major.

But d&@*& my 40 minor is such a nice load to fire........lighter than my wife's USPSA 9mm.........
 
RGC said:
Eugene, I hear you. My case in point, was the match at Sharon on the weekend. First stage was 3 classics through window on left, 2 on right. If you found the right starting position, then all could be engaged from one position.
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If you COULD find that right starting position - then that stage was illegal and should have been tossed from the match.
 
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Freedom Ventures said:
If you COULD find that right starting position - then that stage was illegal and should have been tossed from the match.
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Isn't there a considerable difference between "must not REQUIRE more than 9 scoring hits from any single location" and "must not ALLOW more than 9 scoring hits from any single location"

ie: The stage wouldn't be illegal, just sub-optimally designed?

-ivan-
 
Freedom Ventures said:
If you COULD find that right starting position - then that stage was illegal and should have been tossed from the match.
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I'd say no.

As long as the targets are not only visible from that one spot, then it's all good.

e.g. a port with 5 targets that are not visible from anywhere else is not allowed. But if even one of the targets are visible from another position, then the 5 targets no longer require one position or view, and thus becomes legal.
 
Unregistered_ said:
As long as the targets are not only visible from that one spot, then it's all good.
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RGC said:
First stage was 3 classics through window on left, 2 on right. If you found the right starting position, then all could be engaged from one position.
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Short Course. 5 targets, (There are no "classics" anymore either, BTW) all available from one position that you could start in, no less.
 
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ivan said:
Isn't there a considerable difference between "must not REQUIRE more than 9 scoring hits from any single location" and "must not ALLOW more than 9 scoring hits from any single location"
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IF the stage allows someone to shoot the whole 10 rounds from one position, it's requiring more than 9 rounds. It would be rejected at L3+ approval. The only way to make that dog of a stage pass would be to ensure that the shooter had to move between the two positions to get it all done.

I apologize for the thread hijack...
 
You had to move to get all three, not a single person was able to stand in one position and get all 5 targets. The vision barrier at the front ensured you'd have to move to see all the targets...plus the fact that three were on the opposite side of the range required you to turn at least 90 degrees to engage the others. You could not see all 5 from one window.
 
+1 on Pat's post.
Personally going to try to shoot Major Classic more often,
You make some really good point Ivan:)
 
Saying that not many stages after the first stage you shot at Sharon, didn't benefit if had 10 rnds, is not true....cause every array of targets, or stage, you may miss, or hit a penalty target, need extra shot on a steel, etc.. and having 2 more rounds as back up on any given situation (not having to static reload and throw off your game plan), is a benefit it itself and will come in handy for sure !!
35 yard stage...8 rounds...very likely you felt one or two pull left or right and would want to take a follow up shot or two..and you only have 9, instead of 11
stage after that, 8 rounds with no shoots inbetween, of which many people hit one of them (not going to admit I did :(), and you may need two more shots...
the last stage on upper range had 10 targets....so you do the math on that one....
Another thing, if, and this is an if...(of which guys currently shooting 9mm in classic can reply to), if you can shoot more "A's" due to the less recoil, and easier to follow, etc... and maybe even get couple more A's or C's instead of a D, due to this...and maybe even slightly faster in some instances (due again to the lighter recoil), may result in better score than if you yourself with your abilities would have with a major power factor recoiling gun ??
It's not only if stage design is 8 rnd friendly, cause many times you'll need +1 or +2...or more... to finish an array... The difficult part is determining which for sure, would be best for you ? ?
I'm leaning towards giving the 9mm in classic a try...and If I don't think I'm shooting as well in results, then I'll switch to major.... I've shot major SS gun from 1995 to 2010... so I have something to gauge how I'll be doing with the 9mm... if your new to the game and not sure, then you'll have to buy both guns and figure it out ;)

I'm not a believer that in all scenarios in the world, that if one this is the most common, that it has to be the right choice for you too... you have to test both and find what's right for you.
 
If you didn't move your feet on that stage, you're starting in ackward stretching twisted position to engage first port..so not so good for shooting like that.
I started with body turned towards port and my feet kinda towards downrange, so I only need to pivot a little more as I turned to other port...but that's technically still moving your feet.
 
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