IPSC Competiton Shooting Question and Answer Thread
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DAA also makes magnetic bullets out pouches for CZ, 2011 and 1911 magazines (as long as they are made of metal). They are even thinner than their regular pouches which move them even closer. That's a winning combination!
A customer asked if they can just use a duty belt or leather belt instead of a competition two piece belt:
You "can" but you would be putting yourself at a disadvange. The competition belts are extremely rigid meaning they will not flex when you draw, reload etc. The most IMPORTANT aspect of them is that the two piece nature allows you to place your equipment in the exact same spot each time. This is very important to developing speed and consistency. If you go with the DAA lineup, the pouches and holster actually tighten down to the outer belt so they do not move at all. Every time you put your belt on, the equipment will be in the exact same place.
The DAA pouches and holsters are also adjustable in many ways for cant, offset and height. You can make things as ergonomic as possible which also increases your speed and consistency.
You "can" but you would be putting yourself at a disadvange. The competition belts are extremely rigid meaning they will not flex when you draw, reload etc. The most IMPORTANT aspect of them is that the two piece nature allows you to place your equipment in the exact same spot each time. This is very important to developing speed and consistency. If you go with the DAA lineup, the pouches and holster actually tighten down to the outer belt so they do not move at all. Every time you put your belt on, the equipment will be in the exact same place.
The DAA pouches and holsters are also adjustable in many ways for cant, offset and height. You can make things as ergonomic as possible which also increases your speed and consistency.
Race Holster vs. Hybrid Race Holster
New shooters often ask if they should use a race holster or a kydex holster / hybrid. The answer really depends on how much practice you are willing to put in. A race holster like the DAA Alpha X we sell, will secure the gun solely by the trigger guard. This allows you to begin the forward movement of the gun out of the holster after only raising the holster an inch or two. A kydex or hybrid holster (like the DAA PDR Pro 2 we sell), requires you to lift 3/4 of the gun up out of the kydex holster before you can begin to move forward. A high level shooter will see fractions of a secon improvement with a race holster vs the kydex or hybrid.
The issue for new shooters is typically when reholstering the firearm. The kydex holster is self explanatory and obvious that you have reholtered the firearm correctly. The race holsters take an extra moment to insure the gun is sitting properly in the holster and then locking the holster before removing your hand. If you hurry or are not paying attention, you "could" more easily drop the gun when using a race holster. Since reholstering is not in the timer (you can take as long as you need), this is something you should not rush. Practice and dryfire at home can make you comfortable with the race holster and you can enjoy the advantages of a quicker draw a you improve.
Race Holsters often have more ways to adjust the holster to make it ergonomic for your body rather than a traditional kydex holster. A hybrid holster like the DAA PDR Pro 2 has a kydex pouch for the gun but employes and adjustable hanger to give you some adjustability.
Remember, IPSC can never require you to reholster while on the timer. Take your time reholstering when the stage ends and ensure the gun is sitting properly in the holster and lock (for race holsters) before removing your hand.
New shooters often ask if they should use a race holster or a kydex holster / hybrid. The answer really depends on how much practice you are willing to put in. A race holster like the DAA Alpha X we sell, will secure the gun solely by the trigger guard. This allows you to begin the forward movement of the gun out of the holster after only raising the holster an inch or two. A kydex or hybrid holster (like the DAA PDR Pro 2 we sell), requires you to lift 3/4 of the gun up out of the kydex holster before you can begin to move forward. A high level shooter will see fractions of a secon improvement with a race holster vs the kydex or hybrid.
The issue for new shooters is typically when reholstering the firearm. The kydex holster is self explanatory and obvious that you have reholtered the firearm correctly. The race holsters take an extra moment to insure the gun is sitting properly in the holster and then locking the holster before removing your hand. If you hurry or are not paying attention, you "could" more easily drop the gun when using a race holster. Since reholstering is not in the timer (you can take as long as you need), this is something you should not rush. Practice and dryfire at home can make you comfortable with the race holster and you can enjoy the advantages of a quicker draw a you improve.
Race Holsters often have more ways to adjust the holster to make it ergonomic for your body rather than a traditional kydex holster. A hybrid holster like the DAA PDR Pro 2 has a kydex pouch for the gun but employes and adjustable hanger to give you some adjustability.
Remember, IPSC can never require you to reholster while on the timer. Take your time reholstering when the stage ends and ensure the gun is sitting properly in the holster and lock (for race holsters) before removing your hand.
Also a plain belt obliges you to put things on one side or other of the belt loops of your trousers. With the two-piece system you don't have to worry about that, your holster can be right over a belt loop if that's the best spot for it.
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Question: I've been told by a club member that on a double action gun, you should pick an easy target for your first/double action shot. Is this true?
Answer: No. You should plan your target engagement order to optimize the time it takes to shoot the targets in the most efficient order. You should be able to hit any target regardless of it being a double action shot or not. More dry fire and live fire is required so you never have to dumb your stage plan down to make up for a poor first/double action shot.
Answer: No. You should plan your target engagement order to optimize the time it takes to shoot the targets in the most efficient order. You should be able to hit any target regardless of it being a double action shot or not. More dry fire and live fire is required so you never have to dumb your stage plan down to make up for a poor first/double action shot.
Question: I'm shooting production and trying to decide between 124 and 147 projectiles. What are the advantages or disadvantages of each?
Answer: From a mathematical perspective, there is a slight recoil management advantage of the 147 projectiles. That means the gun shoots a tiny bit softer which "can" allow you to be back on target faster. In practice, it often boils down to a personal preference. The 124's will cycle the slide a little bit faster which some shooters prefer. You should also consider using the fastest powder you can get like N320 which we sell. I would suggest try shooting both projectiles back to back with the same powder and power factor and going with whatever you are faster with. Shoot the same array of targets multiple times and compare. Do this standing still so movement is taken out of play.
Answer: From a mathematical perspective, there is a slight recoil management advantage of the 147 projectiles. That means the gun shoots a tiny bit softer which "can" allow you to be back on target faster. In practice, it often boils down to a personal preference. The 124's will cycle the slide a little bit faster which some shooters prefer. You should also consider using the fastest powder you can get like N320 which we sell. I would suggest try shooting both projectiles back to back with the same powder and power factor and going with whatever you are faster with. Shoot the same array of targets multiple times and compare. Do this standing still so movement is taken out of play.
https://ipscalberta.wildapricot.org...Resources/IPSC Handgun Rules 2019 Edition.pdf
Page 69, APPENDIX E2: Diagram of Equipment Position - shows magazine pouch placement.
The PCC rule book does not appear to have any reference to pouch placement. If anyone has a reference that otherwise shows it, please post:
http://legacy.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesPCC.pdf
http://legacy.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesPCC.pdf
One of my mistakes in shooting sports is I wanted a specific firearm over one I shot well. Colt Gold Cup vs a Sig 220 surplus in one case so see what you shoot well. The 220 and Viktor are two hindsight pistols. I really want a CZ Shadow but... Ive shot Sig's really well. Not fired a shadow yet...
The gun that fits your hand just right is the one to be using. All the rest of what you need to do for DVC flows naturally when you have that right.
I've held other guns that were great guns technically but just didn't sit right in a paw my size. You need a trigger and a safety that sit exactly where you need them and a grip that fills your hand without any awkwardness.
Best to find a gun store that'll let you hold different ones, close your eyes and think about how they fit. I've even run into a guy behind the counter who said "close your eyes and I'll hand you different guns, that way you're not thinking about brands and reputations and prices".
That in turn leads you into some particular IPSC division. (Do make sure you end up with something IPSC-valid, not a .22 or such!)
I've held other guns that were great guns technically but just didn't sit right in a paw my size. You need a trigger and a safety that sit exactly where you need them and a grip that fills your hand without any awkwardness.
Best to find a gun store that'll let you hold different ones, close your eyes and think about how they fit. I've even run into a guy behind the counter who said "close your eyes and I'll hand you different guns, that way you're not thinking about brands and reputations and prices".
That in turn leads you into some particular IPSC division. (Do make sure you end up with something IPSC-valid, not a .22 or such!)
You also want to choose a firearm that has IPSC accessories available. We've had customers that purchase less popular firearms and then wonder why no holster is available or they can't find magazine base pads, spare parts etc.
juancarlos
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I also could not find any ref to pouch placement. I wonder if that means chest rigs are also acceptable.
It sure seems like the rules allow you have have your pouches anywhere, even on the gun itself:
5.2.4 Ammunition and speed loaders must be carried or worn on the competitor or mounted to the firearm in safely
designed pouches, pockets or other suitable retention devices, unless otherwise specified in the written stage
briefing.
You're at a minimum going to get frowned at hard if you have ammunition carried on the firearm before load-and-make-ready or don't remove it at the end of the course-of-fire.
I think there's the assumption you're carrying PCC magazines on the same belt rig you use for your pistol, since there doesn't seem to be a route for PAL-not-RPAL holders to get into IPSC without the pistol-centric Black Badge course. But the PCC rulebook is interestingly ambiguous about this.
I think there's the assumption you're carrying PCC magazines on the same belt rig you use for your pistol, since there doesn't seem to be a route for PAL-not-RPAL holders to get into IPSC without the pistol-centric Black Badge course. But the PCC rulebook is interestingly ambiguous about this.
juancarlos
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You’re allowed aftermarket triggers in production now but it still has to meet the minimum trigger pull weight.
18.4 Aftermarket springs and trigger assemblies are permitted.
The minimum trigger pull must either be 2.27kg (5lbs.) for the first shot fired and no restriction for subsequent
shots fired, or 1.36kg (3lbs.) for every shot fired.
The minimum trigger pull must either be 2.27kg (5lbs.) for the first shot fired and no restriction for subsequent
shots fired, or 1.36kg (3lbs.) for every shot fired.
Question: Are certain guns better for the sport than others?
Answer: Yes. Certain guns are more popular in various divisions because they are more ideally suited to the sport. This can be because they have less recoil due to being heavier, have better triggers from the factory (thus easier to be accurate) and other factory features like easier to operate safeties, magwells etc. The other thing to consider is the aftermarket support for that firearm. The more popular models will have many different holsters and other accessories available. You also will want spare parts for competition. Some models and brands are almost impossible to find spare parts for.
What I normally tell customers is that if you are have not yet purchased a firearm, then definitely try to seek out and get your hands on the more IPSC suited models. Maybe someone at the local club can let you handle the gun and try the trigger etc. If you already have a firearm that can be used for your division, try the sport first and see if you like it. If you fall in love with it, then you can look at purchasing a more ideal firearm. If you don't end up liking it, then you are not out any extra money.
Answer: Yes. Certain guns are more popular in various divisions because they are more ideally suited to the sport. This can be because they have less recoil due to being heavier, have better triggers from the factory (thus easier to be accurate) and other factory features like easier to operate safeties, magwells etc. The other thing to consider is the aftermarket support for that firearm. The more popular models will have many different holsters and other accessories available. You also will want spare parts for competition. Some models and brands are almost impossible to find spare parts for.
What I normally tell customers is that if you are have not yet purchased a firearm, then definitely try to seek out and get your hands on the more IPSC suited models. Maybe someone at the local club can let you handle the gun and try the trigger etc. If you already have a firearm that can be used for your division, try the sport first and see if you like it. If you fall in love with it, then you can look at purchasing a more ideal firearm. If you don't end up liking it, then you are not out any extra money.
