IPSC CZ SP-01 9mm mag question

Horse96

Horse96

Regular
Rating - 100%
28   0   0
Location
Calgary
Okay, here goes, broken into two questions:

1) will the (tanfoglio or CZ) 40S&W mag fit into a CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow?

2) and if so, would I be penalized for having more than 10 shots in my mag?
 
1- Yes Tanfo small frame mags will fit the shadow. CZ 75 .40 mags will also fit. You'll have to adjust the lips of the mags thou if you want the 9mm rounds to fit in the .40 mags...

2- Yes, you're limited to 10 rounds up here... If it was allowed we would all do it!
 
There would be a potential case too if you had to modify the magazine, (bending in the lips to hold the 9mm rounds) you would be creating a prohibited device.
 
beltfed said:
There would be a potential case too if you had to modify the magazine, (bending in the lips to hold the 9mm rounds) you would be creating a prohibited device.
Click to expand...

I'm not trying to spark an argument, but for my own reference are you sure about that? As long as a pistol magazine is pinned/blocked to hold max. 10 rounds of whatever caliber it's marked on it, I don't think bending the feed lips would not make them prohibited. (?)
 
The Baron said:
I'm not trying to spark an argument, but for my own reference are you sure about that? As long as a pistol magazine is pinned/blocked to hold max. 10 rounds of whatever caliber it's marked on it, I don't think bending the feed lips would not make them prohibited. (?)
Click to expand...
f:P: you asked a question you got your answer but seem you don't like the answer so now your hoping that some one will post one that you will like :HR:
 
JB said:
f:P: you asked a question you got your answer but seem you don't like the answer so now your hoping that some one will post one that you will like :HR:
Click to expand...

Maybe he's hoping for the correct answer. d:h::bangHead:
 
The Baron said:
I'm not trying to spark an argument, but for my own reference are you sure about that? As long as a pistol magazine is pinned/blocked to hold max. 10 rounds of whatever caliber it's marked on it, I don't think bending the feed lips would not make them prohibited. (?)
Click to expand...

I did say potential case.

There are varying thoughts on this.

Would depend on:
If an Officer thought your mags were a prohibited device, and they seized them, and then pressed charges, and the prosecutor followed through with those charges, then you'd be in the boat of proving otherwise to a court.

Sorry. I didn't state it to open the can of worms, but I know how I'd bet my money.
I'm not a legal professional and don't work with the criminal code though so take that for what it is worth.
 
beltfed said:
I did say potential case.

There are varying thoughts on this.

Would depend on:
If an Officer thought your mags were a prohibited device, and they seized them, and then pressed charges, and the prosecutor followed through with those charges, then you'd be in the boat of proving otherwise to a court.

Sorry. I didn't state it to open the can of worms, but I know how I'd bet my money.
I'm not a legal professional and don't work with the criminal code though so take that for what it is worth.
Click to expand...

That's why you always carry a copy of this document with you.. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

I also like to highlight relevant section (4) in my case, or in the OP's case...
5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.

Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.
Click to expand...
 
beltfed said:
There would be a potential case too if you had to modify the magazine, (bending in the lips to hold the 9mm rounds) you would be creating a prohibited device.
Click to expand...

You take a 40 cal mag.
You bend the feed lips to hold 9mm.
You take the SAME mag, that you have "altered", and load it with .40 cal ammo.....
Does it hold more than 10 cartridges of the type for which it was originally designed?
-No, it holds only 10 .40 cal cartridges.

In conclusion: the magazine has NOT been altered to hold more than 10 cartridges of the type for which it was originally designed.
Therefore it is NOT a "prohibited device"

Pretty clear actually, or am I stupid?

Wait this is the internet, of course I'm stupid.
 
You have altered the magazine to hold the 9mm rounds thereby creating a prohibited device.
 
Like I said, the potential is there bulletin in hand or not.

Notice the wording "designed or manufactured"

Someone modifying a marked 'x' caliber mag to fit 'y' caliber - even inocuous as bending feed lips so the thinner rounds stay in place - may be deemed as creating a prohib. Device.

When you read those bulletins don't forget to read the very bottom:

This bulletin is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act, the Criminal Code and Regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.
 
It's tuning if it's for the rounds it's marked for, it's altering if it's for a different caliber. But hey, fill.your boots. If it's that important to you to have a couple extra rounds in your gun who am I am to argue.
 
It doesn't need to be on the bulletin, but if you don't understand you have altered the mag from it's original form that's on you. You want to run the risk go for it. But when we are getting rulings that state empty tubes are in fact mags and people are being convicted for not having those empty tubes pinned, I sure wouldn't want to run the risk of them measuring feed lips to see if they have been made different from factory specs. We already know that a malfunctioning mag that was supposed to hold 10 rounds but somehow holds 11 can get your charged, why would you expect modified feed lips to be any different?
 
I see what you mean, An officer can pretty much charge you as he likes. But I can't find anything in the FA or CCoC directly stating that it is unlawful to alter a pistol magazine to hold more than 10 rounds of ANOTHER cartridge. Provided that it will still only contain no more than 10 cartridges for which it was ORIGINALLY DESIGNED for.
As I understand, it is not illegal to "alter" a magazine (to restore proper feeding, ect.), but it is illegal to "alter it to contain a higher capacity *of the cartridges for which it was originally designed for*"
So yes, the .40 cal mag HAS been "altered", but... It HAS NOT been altered to hold more than 10 *.40* cal rounds.

But, a judge could always see it differently I guess
 
The law is such crap that they could say that by altering the magazine you have created a new magazine for the 9mm. That is why most of these conversations revolve around, if it works without adjusting the lips, fine, otherwise don't.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom