IPSC/IDPA Training with Emanuel "Manny" Bragg - April/May 2009

The course as described is NOT IDPA specific training and as Mass has pointed out, there is a difference between IDPA and ISPC shooting and training.

Steve David and Canuck44,

You see, you really miss the point here... it's not what Dragoon said (which I agree BTW), it's where and when. I am fully aware of the differences between IPSC and IDPA, but you guys are always the first ones to criticize others for hijacking threads. My point here is quite simple, 96Brigadier posted an "optional" course with Manny, that's it. Dragoon's first statement (disguised as a question) was "What are his IDPA credentials?". Whether is IDPA, IPSC or both is irrelevant. It's up to the candidate to ask THE ORGANIZER the proper questions and decided if the course is for him/her.
 
Steve David and Canuck44,

You see, you really miss the point here... it's not what Dragoon said (which I agree BTW), it's where and when. I am fully aware of the differences between IPSC and IDPA, but you guys are always the first ones to criticize others for hijacking threads. My point here is quite simple, 96Brigadier posted an "optional" course with Manny, that's it. Dragoon's first statement (disguised as a question) was "What are his IDPA credentials?". Whether is IDPA, IPSC or both is irrelevant. It's up to the candidate to ask THE ORGANIZER the proper questions and decided if the course is for him/her.


I am not sure how we missed the point as it was described as IDPA/IPSC training. Dragoon's question was a very valid one and I do not think asking about Manny's IDPA credentials is hijacking this thread.
 
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Well, it's obvious this thread HAS been hijacked.

I don't mind the questions. I specifically advertised these courses as IPSC/IDPA training because that's exactly what Manny's literature states Mass knows what Manny's credentials are, and while I certainly wouldn't suggest bullseye and IPSC or bullseye and IDPA are the same thing, the fact remains that IDPA and IPSC are very close in terms of the SHOOTING aspect of the sport. If they were that different then the same people wouldn't be winning both the IDPA and IPSC matches in the US. Regardless of your discipline, people who shoot exclusively one or the other would benefit a great deal from taking Manny's courses. That's why people who exclusively shoot both do exactly that in the US, and yes, they do take his classes at the same time. For crying out loud people, it isn't like IPSC is from Mars and IDPA is from Venus.

There were some other comments made that I could ignore, but I am finding it very difficult to do so. While I shoot excusively IPSC, that's only because it's where I started and with small kids I don't have time to expand into IDPA. That doesn't mean I haven't tried to help IDPA out. If it weren't for IPSC people, including myself who personally put a call in to help IDPA, a certain important IDPA match wouldn't be happening at either its current venue or on its current dates. I would like to help IDPA out more, but that is difficult when someone is showing a complete lack of class (no pun intended since this thread was supposed to be about training classes) by trying to further their own agenda through someone else's thread, and on top of that advertising the possibility of training with someone else in this thread. It seems to me that's the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back with a certain business here in Calgary a little over a year ago. Obviously nothing was learned because here we go again.

There are better ways to go about furthering your own agenda without doing it the way you always do it. I thought you would know better by now but apparently not. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Mike (Beltfed) - no, you would not be in over your head in Manny's class, Joe took it last year and learned a ton. Both he and Dan are taking it this year. I'll get you an agenda, but you can find more info here:

http://universalshootingacademy.com/usa2.html#descriptions


Finally, I'll point out that I have no financial gain from Manny putting these courses on. I am helping to organize this because I consider Manny a friend, and it isn't every day that a person has the opportunity to take training with someone like Manny without traveling to Florida where he normally does his training with Universal Shooting Academy.

Steve (yes, that's my name :))
 
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if you did not want it hijacked then you should have placed it in the "events" section and then started a thread here about it... with link to course in events.

I tend to agree with you though that some "people" went overboard here with their spouting off.... unclassy and underhanded even perhaps.
 
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I am not sure how we missed the point as it was described as IDPA/IPSC training. Dragoon's question was a very valid one and I do not think asking about Manny's IDPA credentials is hijacking this thread.

Well Steve David, as a last note to you, here's what Dragoon posted right after his comments on Manny...

"PS: I'm working on getting Scott Warren, an instructor at the FBI Academy in Quantico, VA and Master Class IDPA shooter, to come up to Alberta for IDPA specific training this summer. What this forum for details."

I rest my case.

96Brigadier. I am sorry I stirred the issue up a little, but it was time somebody pointed this stuff out to the CGN community. It's not the first time Dragoon hijacked a thread and tried to turn it around to his benefit. Enough is enough.

Mission accomplished. MI6 out.
 
For crying out loud people, it isn't like IPSC is from Mars and IDPA is from Venus.

Yep, I see so much of this and it's soooooo sad. Wouldn't it be great to double membership instead of halve it?

Kinda reminds me of when Tony George ($&*#!(&*(#$) split Indy in two and both languished until neither could really survive so guess what? They're back together........
 
In the end, if the training is from a well known and recognized instructor and if you have the opportunity to go, take it.

There is always benefits from training from instructors like Manny Bragg, Scott Warren and Matt Burkett.
 
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Wow, just wow.

I got into this whole game, IDPA/IPSC from someone, on this forum, whom I bought a pistol from, a little over a year ago; LONEWOLF, you out there. I never even realized this whole sport even existed, a little over a year ago. Some of the posts on this thread, are, well, PETTY. I enjoy shooting BOTH. Mind you, I am NOT, and NEVER will be a Master Class/A shooter! NEVER. If these sports want to expand, like I think most people want them to, ya'll have got to put your ATTITUDES, and I mean that from a respectful position, aside, and get on introducing new people, and just getting along with each other.

It is so easy to get all huffed up about a topic, and politicking in general, but it helps the sport how? How does this further the sport and firearm ownership in general? From the point of view of somebody just getting involved in these sports, I can tell you, these petty differences, and arguments, are helping, NADA. And actually, they are probably turning people away, on these very forums!

Are you happy now?
 
Oh yeah, I for one am happy to take training and general knowledge from any, and all, that KNOW more than I do.

There is no bad training, just poor students who are so narrow minded to think that they know it all!


+1. I guess a lot can get lost via the internet and postings. ARGH to all the bickering. People (including myself),..defend themselves when they are insulted,..ridiculed or openly criticized on the forum; we all know each other so we are trying to safe face and/or get our points across.

I think it would be great to get training from a top IPSC or IDPA shooter (I think Matt Burkett would be another who would fall into this category):dancingbanana:
 
Yep. It is a constant reminder to me.
"One" of my Stepfathers had a wooden plaque on the beer fridge on his garage. That said exactly,

"For those of you who think you know it all, you are very annoying for those of us who do"

And it puts me in a proper perspective, always. The futility of the statement, always reminds me of peoples fallacies!
 
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