IPSC Mini Targets shows up at Barrie
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What can stop you? Well, IPSC AB could say that you make stupid matches and stop sanctioning your matches (this is of course, not going to happen because your matches are good ones)
The 2 plates at the nationals were 35m; 2 shots testing your ability to accurately shoot long distance within a 300 round compeitition. An additional 4 shots at 50m were on pepper poppers. Like the blacked-out paper targets in Lethbridge, or the 50m Standards in Vancouver - it was a fair balance to test the skillset within the overall match.
Common sense is the simple solution, controlled by those that we approve and sanction to run IPSC matches. No more is required.
I can understand why this is hard to comprehend here; since common sense is immediately tossed out for emotional whining, clowning, moaning and #####ing over and over again.
Ahhh! The true meaning of IPSC!
Well, the Barrie Level 1 match was my qualifier for my Black Badge, and I was a little surprised about the Mini Targets showing up. It was the first time I have also gotten to shoot at poppers, so that was a pretty new experience as well. The ability to shoot at multiple sizes and styles of targets was cool IMHO.
Either way, it sure was a fun challenge, and I sure enjoyed the added challenge of them.
That is not to say I scored too many hits on them, but from what I was seeing in my group, the mini targets were not the ones who should be worried, it was the poor no shoots. I swear that two inch strip of white target took the brunt of the hits.
If you are ever taken hostage, and one of these guys draws his gun at your kidnapper, RUN!!!
Just Kidding.
Anyways, thanks to all the guys and girls who helped make the match run smooth for my father and I, as it was the first match for both of us.
Cheers.
Either way, it sure was a fun challenge, and I sure enjoyed the added challenge of them.
That is not to say I scored too many hits on them, but from what I was seeing in my group, the mini targets were not the ones who should be worried, it was the poor no shoots. I swear that two inch strip of white target took the brunt of the hits.
If you are ever taken hostage, and one of these guys draws his gun at your kidnapper, RUN!!! Just Kidding.
Anyways, thanks to all the guys and girls who helped make the match run smooth for my father and I, as it was the first match for both of us.
Cheers.
By the way, does anybody know which website where the scores were posted? I am really green to this sport.
I know one of the guys there was offering to post them for me for the low low price of $50.00, but I am just looking around for some other competitive prices.
I know one of the guys there was offering to post them for me for the low low price of $50.00, but I am just looking around for some other competitive prices.
IPSC Ontario website. You can email Budd for the login and password since youBy the way, does anybody know which website where the scores were posted? I am really green to this sport.
I know one of the guys there was offering to post them for me for the low low price of $50.00, but I am just looking around for some other competitive prices.
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As Freedom Ventures is trying to say (correct me if I am wrong, as I didn't catch all of your deleted posts)..........Common sense has to prevail in the course design.
The targets were intended to utilize smaller ranges and give the effect of a distant target. Because of the idiocies of politics (thanks for pointing it out Storm), we cannot use both large and small targets in a single stage. This would have been the correct use of the targets.
Some people do not realize the implications of poor stage design. Some "course designers" think it is fun to make a course of fire as ridiculously hard and troublesome for shooters as they can. This is not the point of IPSC, and hence creates what some people may call a "bad match".
A bad match is one that does not have enough variety of stages, or is definitely aimed at a certain strength or type of shooter. In all large matches, the GM's and M's will be at the top, and the "D"'s will be at the bottom. If the match is very difficult, it will still be the same. The difference is in the percentages. The spread will be more pronounced from the top scores down to the lower ones. Great if you are at the top, but a little disheartening if you are at the bottom! Reality sucks sometimes. The inverse is true for a match that is too easy. Too many people will advance too quickly in their classifications.
I see many more gimmicks in Canadian courses of fire, than compared to larger US matches. The odd stage is fine, but if the misuse of the small targets gets out of hand, then the fun stops. Very few people will shoot to their classification, and will eventually tire of the folly.
The original design of the IPSC target (RIP) was a fine one, and that dictated accuracy quite well. It's not bullseye, and never was meant to be. Let's hope the course designers (and the approvers) keep their wits about them.
The targets were intended to utilize smaller ranges and give the effect of a distant target. Because of the idiocies of politics (thanks for pointing it out Storm), we cannot use both large and small targets in a single stage. This would have been the correct use of the targets.
Some people do not realize the implications of poor stage design. Some "course designers" think it is fun to make a course of fire as ridiculously hard and troublesome for shooters as they can. This is not the point of IPSC, and hence creates what some people may call a "bad match".
A bad match is one that does not have enough variety of stages, or is definitely aimed at a certain strength or type of shooter. In all large matches, the GM's and M's will be at the top, and the "D"'s will be at the bottom. If the match is very difficult, it will still be the same. The difference is in the percentages. The spread will be more pronounced from the top scores down to the lower ones. Great if you are at the top, but a little disheartening if you are at the bottom! Reality sucks sometimes. The inverse is true for a match that is too easy. Too many people will advance too quickly in their classifications.
I see many more gimmicks in Canadian courses of fire, than compared to larger US matches. The odd stage is fine, but if the misuse of the small targets gets out of hand, then the fun stops. Very few people will shoot to their classification, and will eventually tire of the folly.
The original design of the IPSC target (RIP) was a fine one, and that dictated accuracy quite well. It's not bullseye, and never was meant to be. Let's hope the course designers (and the approvers) keep their wits about them.
As Freedom Ventures is trying to say (correct me if I am wrong, as I didn't catch all of your deleted posts)..........Common sense has to prevail in the course design.
The targets were intended to utilize smaller ranges and give the effect of a distant target. Because of the idiocies of politics (thanks for pointing it out Storm), we cannot use both large and small targets in a single stage. This would have been the correct use of the targets.
Some people do not realize the implications of poor stage design. Some "course designers" think it is fun to make a course of fire as ridiculously hard and troublesome for shooters as they can. This is not the point of IPSC, and hence creates what some people may call a "bad match".
I see many more gimmicks in Canadian courses of fire, than compared to larger US matches. The odd stage is fine, but if the misuse of the small targets gets out of hand, then the fun stops. Very few people will shoot to their classification, and will eventually tire of the folly.
The original design of the IPSC target (RIP) was a fine one, and that dictated accuracy quite well. It's not bullseye, and never was meant to be. Let's hope the course designers (and the approvers) keep their wits about them.
i happen to agree with Sean, good course design should keep things in prospective. as i travel more to matches i take a hard look at either who the match designer is or the match copy. if i am going to spend my money on travelling to a match i want to enjoy myself. now personally i like to see a variety of stages in a match. this is what makes it interesting to me and it was what i was trying for when i did the '08 Nationals. i like to think that i offered a good variety of stages along with a little fun (how many people still have snakes in their bags :} )
one of the most interesting stages i did once was to put a mini popper out at 50 yards (equivalent to a 100 yards) from the start position to 25 yards from the end of the stage. i watched one of our older shooters (who use to shoot PPC) draw his gun and take it down from 50 yards out. if i remember he actuarially placed in the top ten of the stage and he was tickled pink as he was a D shooter.
one of the most interesting stages i did once was to put a mini popper out at 50 yards (equivalent to a 100 yards) from the start position to 25 yards from the end of the stage. i watched one of our older shooters (who use to shoot PPC) draw his gun and take it down from 50 yards out. if i remember he actuarially placed in the top ten of the stage and he was tickled pink as he was a D shooter.
Steel at 50 is better than paper for most people. You know if you've for your hits. But I also like paper at distance.
My personal opinion is the new small targets should not go out any further than 15m. I also have no problem with them not being able to be mixed. We didn't have them before, so now its just one more thing to play with.
My personal opinion is the new small targets should not go out any further than 15m. I also have no problem with them not being able to be mixed. We didn't have them before, so now its just one more thing to play with.
stormbringer
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Wow.........Slavex has joined the PC crowd!
Who would have thought!
Here comes AIRSOFT IPSC as the only IPSC in the world..........I mean that would make the Antigunners even more happy.
If there was a LOGICAL and SHOOTING based reason for them not to be mixed I would not have a problem either.
What are you going to do when they say you cannot mix mini poppers and std poppers next?
I mean a reporter in Montreal had the same opinion as the Sport minister in France...........it then logically follows that we should disallow the use of the two popppers in a stage.
Then we need to look at other aspects of OUR sport that the antigunners dislike and address them..............like say.......GUNS!
stormbringer
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You forgot to mention you will shoot through an armoured tube to make sure your shots all hit the target.
This is exactly my point.
It is as they say a death of a thousand cuts......
Each one does not hurt very much..........but the end result is still death.
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I sort of hear where your coming from. Yes, that was my qualifing L1 match, so nebie I guess.
But if this helps:
The little targets were close from a fixed position.
The big ones were from a distance that we closed in on.
I've tried to keep up with this post, I hope the above helps. For indoor smaller ranges, the smaller targets helped with variety.
I'll go back to reading now..
On GV there is a discussion going on about some changes to MR.
Some would like to see shooter step to the line and on command
MR load the gun. Checking pistol, like racking would be disallowed
or taking FS picture on the first target. We can get DQ for checking
the chamber and taking visual on first target, which some shooters
do it all the time. The only place to check for safety would be Safety Table.
The argument is that this will help the match flow,
saving few sec here and there also will stop gaming?, FS visual is
been consider gaming by some.
I apologize for not opening new thread, but I kind of feel that with so many new
changes coming to our sport this is somehow related.
P.
Some would like to see shooter step to the line and on command
MR load the gun. Checking pistol, like racking would be disallowed
or taking FS picture on the first target. We can get DQ for checking
the chamber and taking visual on first target, which some shooters
do it all the time. The only place to check for safety would be Safety Table.
The argument is that this will help the match flow,
saving few sec here and there also will stop gaming?, FS visual is
been consider gaming by some.
I apologize for not opening new thread, but I kind of feel that with so many new
changes coming to our sport this is somehow related.
P.
Yes, the targets at Barrie were not difficult. They were there mainly to simulate distance rather than punish the shooters, and were used appropriately. Storm's issue is that for political reasons we can't mix the mini's up with full sized targets in a single stage. The anti's out there imagine that because one target is smaller than another, we are therefore trying to simulate shooting children. Yes, people really are that stupid.
This restriction places unnecessary restrictions on stage design creativity in that; in some range bays it may be advantageous to have mini targets on one branch of a stage (for example) where space is narrow but you still want reasonable shot difficulty. Or if a range bay is just too shallow to permit a longer shot you could intersperse full sized targets with smaller ones in an array to force the shooter in and out of "hose" mode, which is a very valid test of shooting skills.
As an MD, it would be very frustrating to have a new tool at hand that could enhance the match presentation very nicely and maximize the use of range space, but be forbidden to actually make full use of it. Particularly when it is already permitted to do so with poppers, so there's another logic sink-hole to fall into.
That was for the benefit of our newcomers. Lecture mode off.
Welcome aboard guys.
