I see in the November/December SITREP that our ballots for the 2007 election are to be mailed to 10 Wilson Avenue, Lindsay, ON. Surely the appearance of impartiality would be better served if the ballots were sent to some disinterested party for tabulation.
IPSC Ontario Elections 2007
- Thread starter arancio
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- East ontario
Then how would bud re elect himself then
Busta Capp
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Town of the Blue Mountains (ON)
Guilty until proven innocent eh
I'd say he has more cedibility than you...but you I don't know who you are
I should know better than to feed a troll...but for the benfit of other members (not out on a bashing run)...as always...final ballots counts will be witnessed...
Maybe arancio will volunteer for the job.
The membership would still be better served by having a third party handle the ballots, then there would be no doubts. Who are the witness's? other members? Are they there to open the envalopes that the ballots arrive in? how do we know that envalopes with certain return address's on them are not being discarded? Not saying this is happeneing but it could when the person handling the ballots knows where they came from. Couldn't happen if the people doing the work have no clue as to who's who.
When there's room for speculation people will speculate, I for one Don't agree with having a board or non board member as the election chairman. I realise that getting an accounting firm isn't free but we can find the funds either from ####canning sitrep totaly and/or cutting back on office expenses.
When there's room for speculation people will speculate, I for one Don't agree with having a board or non board member as the election chairman. I realise that getting an accounting firm isn't free but we can find the funds either from ####canning sitrep totaly and/or cutting back on office expenses.
i am going to throw my two cents in here. if you cannot trust your own members to be fair and honest then i honestly think you are in the wrong group. i don't care what sport you are in. As well, as a general member i would be upset about wasting money to hire a third party to receive and count ballots. what a wawste of money!
Guilty until proven innocent eh
I'd say he has more cedibility than you...but you I don't know who you are
I should know better than to feed a troll...but for the benfit of other members (not out on a bashing run)...as always...final ballots counts will be witnessed...
Maybe arancio will volunteer for the job.
I am a current member paid up through 2008 although some are not.
I have not said any one was guilty of anything, or innocent for that matter. If I may quote myself: “Surely the appearance of impartiality would be better served if the ballots were sent to some disinterested party for tabulation”. I do not see how that statement constitutes an indictment although I can see where some might.
This is not a matter of credibility. It is a matter of the appearance of impartiality. Whether or not he has more credibility than I is immaterial.
By the way, I do not live under a bridge and I am well able to feed myself caro ragazzo.
I have my own axe to grind as do you everyone else involved and therefore would be a poor choice to tally the ballots.
I wish I shared your optimisim and faith Walter but unfortunately blind trust will only get you screwed over in the end as far as I'm concerned. the cost of an accounting firm is good insurance to avoid any questions and or conflicts that can arise from an election
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- East ontario
Good point !
I had better get my money in the mail this year then er!
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I had better get my money in the mail this year then er!
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Guilty until proven innocent eh
I'd say he has more cedibility than you...but you I don't know who you are
I should know better than to feed a troll...but for the benfit of other members (not out on a bashing run)...as always...final ballots counts will be witnessed...
Maybe arancio will volunteer for the job.
Why stop there.. people can easily send in multiple ballots with other names on it..
Heck they they can even change the ballot. Photocopy it and add thier own name on it..
The membership would be better served by members who would rather be proactive and help promote the sport, and help it get better.. not sit back under an account with 1 post, and snipe from the back row..
if you got a problem, then get involved and help fix it. don't be some whiner who sits backs and complains but never offers help..
Not optimism Mike, just practicality. First off why would anyone really want to run for a position? It is a thankless job and takes up a lot of free time. Next off is sure isn't for the money. Even with your expenses covered it still costs you money to serve on a volunteer board. Finally like I said, if I belonged to a group that I thought had to cheat, I would be either quitting or working on getting onto the board to correct it.
As for paying for an accounting firm to do it, I forget the exact numbers but we use to do that for the Professional association I belong to. It was the third highest item on a financial report after salaries and rent! And yes I got elected to that board and managed to get it changed!
As for paying for an accounting firm to do it, I forget the exact numbers but we use to do that for the Professional association I belong to. It was the third highest item on a financial report after salaries and rent! And yes I got elected to that board and managed to get it changed!
Just because someone doesn't spend hours posting on here doesn't make their post less valid, Arancio could be someone who puts in a #### load of time doing club level stuff but not majors for one reason or another so does that make him/her less of a member.
Yes, photocopied ballots is a possible problem with our system, it can be prevented by giving them serial random serial #'s, if multiple ballots with the same # show up its simple to catch.
Judging by how the nomination process went this year I hardly doubt a write in campaign would succeed.
I agree that being on the board is no cake walk, and for the most part I have complete respect for the work that they are doing but I also believe that there are some on the board that on it for control rather then progress.
The best solution to the debate would be to put a vote out to the members about it and have one of the new board members be in charge of it.
Yes, photocopied ballots is a possible problem with our system, it can be prevented by giving them serial random serial #'s, if multiple ballots with the same # show up its simple to catch.
Judging by how the nomination process went this year I hardly doubt a write in campaign would succeed.
I agree that being on the board is no cake walk, and for the most part I have complete respect for the work that they are doing but I also believe that there are some on the board that on it for control rather then progress.
The best solution to the debate would be to put a vote out to the members about it and have one of the new board members be in charge of it.
I was involved in helping count ballots/witness one election out in BC. The electioneer (or whatever the hell he's called, it was Slavex) received all of the ballots in unmarked envelopes so he didn't know where they came from. Both candidates had a representative there to witness all of the opening and counting.
In each envelope was a second envelope to say who the ballot came from. In that was another envelope that was unmarked.
Everything was fair, documented and above board, and it didn't matter who the electioneer was.
The only irregularity was the ballot we received from a deceased member, which was odd because he would have received his ballot after the date of his death.
In each envelope was a second envelope to say who the ballot came from. In that was another envelope that was unmarked.
Everything was fair, documented and above board, and it didn't matter who the electioneer was.
The only irregularity was the ballot we received from a deceased member, which was odd because he would have received his ballot after the date of his death.
No. What makes his post less valid is both the tone, and content of his own post.. Both of which he was completle responsible for.. if he wanted anyone to give his post any consideration, then rather then allude to some kind of cheating going on, he clearly could have identified that there is an improvement that could have been made, and put some effort into identify a solution to it.. If he even felt that strong to break out of his silence after 2 years, then he should have felt strong enough about it , to think about it, propose a solution, and then go to the board about it, and try and help the situation..
the post as it was started was far from that..
Busta Capp
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Town of the Blue Mountains (ON)
Agreed. And if IPSC Ontario decided that things were so bad that $$$ had to be spent to audit an election of volunteer members, then surely I would hang it up and not renew.
Tone and content? nothing rude or derogatory about it. Makes a valid point with out any #### slinging. I think your reading too much into the post count and join date. He did propose a soultion, don't send the ballots to a board member.
as for spending funds on the election, Put it to a vote of them membership. IPSC Ontario's wasted far more money on far less usefull things.
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as for spending funds on the election, Put it to a vote of them membership. IPSC Ontario's wasted far more money on far less usefull things.
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