IPSC Production holster clarification

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Hey.

My friend and I have been discussing holsters for production, and need a rule clarification. For production division, would a holster like the CR Speed ones be legal? In the IPSC rules, it just says "No race gun holsters", but would that include the CR Speed ones?

I was originally looking at getting one, but after reading the rules, and talking with some members on another forum, I was told that they are illegal.

What defines a "race gun holster", and am I correct in holding off my purchase?

Thanks!!!!
 
are you sure your reading the rules for IPSC and not IDPA i thought for IPSC thats the holster only had to have the triger covered and that the gun fit into the holster and not fall out . I no that in IDPA you cant have race holster
 
Agreed. The only restrictions on holsters in IPSC are that the trigger is covered; ie inaccessable within the holster and the gun is secure; ie will not fall out of the holster. The only prohibited holsters are shoulder holsters, tie down rigs and a holster which allows the heel of the butt to sit below the belt. The other restrictions are related to position on the body, angle of the muzzle and distance from magazines.
 
A CR Speed WSM is an excellent legal holster for IPSC production.
They're available for the Sig-X5, S&W M&P, Glocks, CZ, Tanfoglios, and many more.
 
It's affiliated...but they have their own rule book.

There are matches in the US santioned by IPSC (ie. World Shoot Qualifiers) but for the most part they are USPSA...and use the USPSA rule book.

The differences are marginal
 
And the USPSA rules differences seem to be getting closer with he latest rule book I received this week....


Except the USPSA Production Division rules are much more logical and more importantly are easily enforceable:

(I've coloured the rules I like/agree with/would like to see adopted by IPSC in red text. (I particularly would like to see #21 adopted; it's also in bold text)

APPENDIX D4 — Production Division
74 • USPSA Handgun Rules, January 2008 Edition
1 Minimum power factor for Major - Not applicable
2 Minimum power factor for Minor - 125
3 Minimum bullet weight - No
4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length - .38 cal. / 9x19 mm (0.354” x 0.748”)
5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major - Not applicable
6 Minimum trigger pull - No
7 Maximum size Handgun and all magazines
(revolvers are exempt) - Yes, handgun with empty magazine inserted must fit wholly within a box with internal dimensions of 8 15/16” x 6” x 1 5/8” tolerance +1/16”, -0”) (8.938”x6”x1.625”) (227.01mmx152.40mmx41.28mm)
8 Maximum magazine length - See # 7
9 Maximum ammunition capacity - Yes, maximum 10 rounds loaded in any magazine after the start signal
10 Max. distance of handgun and mags/speed loaders from inner side of belt Handgun and Mags - 2”
11 Rule 5.2.3.1 applies - No
12 Restriction on position of holster and other equipment (revolver speedloaders.moon clips are exempt) - Yes, see Appendix E3
13 Optical/electronic sights permitted - No, notch and post only
14 Installed flashlights permitted - No
15 Compensators permitted - No
16 Barrel ports permitted - No
17 Slide ports permitted - Yes, on factory-original approved models
18 Maximum weight - Yes, 2 ounces over weight listed on approved pistol list
19 Handgun specific approval for Division - Yes - see Special Conditions
20 Holster restrictions
•Suitable for everyday use. “Race gun” type holster prohibited.
•May not be manufactured or cut lower than, and must cover the slide up to, ½” below the ejection port (belt slide “Yaqui” type holster exempt).

•Revolver holsters open no lower than halfway down the cylinder.

APPENDIX D4 — Production Division (Contd.)
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21 Authorized modifications (Strictly limited to these items and their stated guidelines)
•Internal throating and polishing to improve accuracy,
reliability and function
•Sights – trimmed, adjusted, replaced, colored, or
fiber-optic.
•Slide – refinishing. Milling of slide – only as
required to insert sights.
•After-market slides and barrels – provided they are
the same length, contour, and caliber as original factory
standard.
•Grips – Internal beveling. Checkering, stippling, and
addition of grip tape or grip sleeves. (see Appendix
E4)
•Exchange of minor components (springs, safeties,
slide stops, guide rods).

22 Specifically prohibited
modifications and features
•Prototype and Single-Action-Only handguns.
•Disabling of any external safety or externally operated
safety.
•External modifications or features such as weights or
devices to control or reduce recoil (such as, but not
limited to, thumb rests or components which could be
used as such).
•Grips - Any addition or removal of material which
changes the factory profile or adds function such as
beavertail or thumb rest.
•External plugs (such as Seattle Slug).
•No magwell attachments or external flaring of the
magwell. The lateral width of the well may not be
more than 1/4” wider than the lateral width of the
magazine.

Special conditions:
— Handguns with external hammers must be fully decocked at the start signal.
— Unless specifically authorized above, modifications are prohibited. Except
for Item 7, revolvers are subject to all restrictions above.
— A handgun may be approved and added to the USPSA Approved Production
Handgun List after the NROI Manufacturer’s Declaration form stating that
a minimum of 2000 complete handguns have been manufactured and available
to the general public has been submitted and NROI has inspected the
handgun for compliance.
 
Thanks for the info Dragoon.
The differences being as marginal as they are, I'm only (at this point in life) looking to shoot IPSC in Canada, so USPSA rules won't apply to this decision.
 
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