IPSC Production rules - Pistol modification

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I have a few questions about "allowed" pistol modification in IPSC Production:

I'm offered a good deal on a X-Five Allround, but the owner had a tactical rail milled in the slide (just like an X-Five Tactical). Is the pistol still good for production?

Also when it comes to production, are the official uber anal about pistol mods? From the rulebook; they allow no exterior modification (lightening, refinisheing, alteration to fit perticular sight, etc..); do they check internals for triggerjob or aftermarket parts?

Thanks!
 
Rivalen said:
I have a few questions about "allowed" pistol modification in IPSC Production:

I'm offered a good deal on a X-Five Allround, but the owner had a tactical rail milled in the slide (just like an X-Five Tactical). Is the pistol still good for production?

Also when it comes to production, are the official uber anal about pistol mods? From the rulebook; they allow no exterior modification (lightening, refinisheing, alteration to fit perticular sight, etc..); do they check internals for triggerjob or aftermarket parts?

Thanks!
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They will hang a weight on the trigger. If the gun fails, you are bumped a class. So long as the rail does not give unfair advantage you are ok. Otherwise, production is just that. As it came out of the box. You can do trigger tuning to get a smoother pull, that is allowed., but other than that.

No.
 
Rivalen said:
I have a few questions about "allowed" pistol modification in IPSC Production:

I'm offered a good deal on a X-Five Allround, but the owner had a tactical rail milled in the slide (just like an X-Five Tactical). Is the pistol still good for production?

Also when it comes to production, are the official uber anal about pistol mods? From the rulebook; they allow no exterior modification (lightening, refinisheing, alteration to fit perticular sight, etc..); do they check internals for triggerjob or aftermarket parts?

Thanks!
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Production class is "box-stock". No mods means no lightening, no milling, no trigger jobs, no changing the finish, no aftermarket parts - nothing! OEM parts only and only minor polishing for fitting. Aftermarket mags are allowed. You can change to any open sights that you can install without modifying the slide (doesn't have to be OEM). As far as inspection at a match goes, it's a crap shoot at best. You could get away with it, or you could run into a Sig expert - in which case you'll be bumped to open. Your only option if you really like the gun is to shoot it in Standard class.
 
Rivalen said:
Also when it comes to production, are the official uber anal about pistol mods? From the rulebook; they allow no exterior modification (lightening, refinisheing, alteration to fit perticular sight, etc..); do they check internals for triggerjob or aftermarket parts?

Thanks!
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The question is not 'are they uber anal about pistol mods' or 'do they check?'
The question is 'will your conscious and sense of fair play allow you to knowingly shoot a modified gun in Production division?'
 
pmt said:
The question is not 'are they uber anal about pistol mods' or 'do they check?'
The question is 'will your conscious and sense of fair play allow you to knowingly shoot a modified gun in Production division?'
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This!!
 
Rivalen said:
... are the official uber anal about pistol mods? From the rulebook; they allow no exterior modification (lightening, refinisheing, alteration to fit perticular sight, etc..); do they check internals for triggerjob or aftermarket parts?

Thanks!
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So...are you asking if you will get caught if you cheat?????

John
 
pmt said:
The question is not 'are they uber anal about pistol mods' or 'do they check?'
The question is 'will your conscious and sense of fair play allow you to knowingly shoot a modified gun in Production division?'
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My bad for my IPSC noobiness; I was assuming shooters were getting trigger work and spring change into their pistols to lighten the pull/change the reset length.

I do not plan to cheat, just wanted to know what were the Do's and don't and play fairly and equaly with other shooters.

So, from the posts: I can polish a few action part and use any open sight that can be installed without modifying the slide and that's it.

Thanks!
 
Rivalen said:
My bad for my IPSC noobiness; I was assuming shooters were getting trigger work and spring change into their pistols to lighten the pull/change the reset length.

I do not plan to cheat, just wanted to know what were the Do's and don't and play fairly and equaly with other shooters.

So, from the posts: I can polish a few action part and use any open sight that can be installed without modifying the slide and that's it.

Thanks!
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deburring and polishing ok................ If you have a CZ, you can basically use a wide variety of springs and parts that CZ makes. You can not use a magwell, or electric optics. You can not change the finish or cut holes in the slide or barrel. If you are close enough, you should go into CRAFM and ask them to set you up with a production pistol, or they may be able to give you advice and perhaps get some OEM parts that you may be able to use in your production gun and be within the rules for production division.
 
Rivalen said:
So, from the posts: I can polish a few action part and use any open sight that can be installed without modifying the slide and that's it.

Thanks!
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This pretty much nails it.

On some guns (CZ SP01) you can change springs/trigger/etc because the factory makes replacements available, you can put extended mag release from a Glock 36 on a Glock 22 (or whatever the model is), but for the most part you just shoot it out of the box.

Didn't mean to imply that you are cheating. It's just that every once in a while someone will ask how far they can go without getting caught. Just remember it's a game - go out & have fun.
 
Rivalen said:
My bad for my IPSC noobiness; I was assuming shooters were getting trigger work and spring change into their pistols to lighten the pull/change the reset length.
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You are right, and there are shooters that do. Maybe some that do it unintentionally and others not so much.
On some guns it's legal to change out to 'factory' supplied aftermarket parts, and on others it isn't.

Welcome to the politics of the Division. Some guns have advantage over others. It is what it is.

Regardless of the above, it is very unlikely that all of the mods on gun 'A' will afford a shooter with that much advantage over a box-stock setup, especially at an amature level that most in the sport are at.

Practice will always afford the largest advantage out there.
 
Yeap, one has to be a decent to very good shooter to take full advantage of said gun improvements. And it'd be shameful for a high ranking shooter to cheat...
Whether you do illegal mods or request a re-shoot :D some should know what I mean :D
 
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