I've raised a few issues and have asked for feedback. Do you have anything constructive to add?
IPSC Rules: Can a competitor request a different RO
- Thread starter Redmaple
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Gary...you're hiding behind an alias (not very well I might add), making unfounded accusations, without any background or context. That makes you both a coward and a troll...
Put up or STFU.
Redmaple,
Without specific examples, it's hard to say for sure, but from reading your posts, it sounds like:
a) a Scorekeeper who was not an RO nailed you for a foot fault and you didn't like the call
b) You didn't get a reshoot one time because the RO failed to notice you weren't wearing ear/eye protection and you foolishly continued shooting the stage even after you realized you were missing some of your safety equipment
c) an RO DQ'd you and rather than man up and own the DQ, you say it's not fair that some other people got away with it.
You sound like the kind of person that demands greater perfection from the people around you than you demand from yourself.
RO's are not perfect, they will make mistakes. Officials in ANY sport are not perfect, and make mistakes.
By the same token, competitors are not perfect, and will make mistakes. When you make one, though, you own up to it, and not try to find some way to blame it on someone else and then cry foul because you didn't get the same breaks that someone else got.
Without specific examples, it's hard to say for sure, but from reading your posts, it sounds like:
a) a Scorekeeper who was not an RO nailed you for a foot fault and you didn't like the call
b) You didn't get a reshoot one time because the RO failed to notice you weren't wearing ear/eye protection and you foolishly continued shooting the stage even after you realized you were missing some of your safety equipment
c) an RO DQ'd you and rather than man up and own the DQ, you say it's not fair that some other people got away with it.
You sound like the kind of person that demands greater perfection from the people around you than you demand from yourself.
RO's are not perfect, they will make mistakes. Officials in ANY sport are not perfect, and make mistakes.
By the same token, competitors are not perfect, and will make mistakes. When you make one, though, you own up to it, and not try to find some way to blame it on someone else and then cry foul because you didn't get the same breaks that someone else got.
Agree totally. I apply my own interpretation of the rules and have not had any trouble, yet.. No DQs, knock on wood.
You keep saying "club matches".
In Alberta there are LOTS of club matches. In fact just got home from one a couple hours ago. A club match is NOT an IPSC sanctioned match, at least not in AB. Most clubs follow the IPSC rules in their club matches, however that's their choice if they want to pick and choose the rules. Only official IPSC AB sanctioned matches must follow the rule book to the letter. Since I don't know where you're from and how things are done there I can only compare them to how things are done here. If it's not an officially sanctioned match, then it's the club you need to be speaking to, not IPSC. If it IS an official sanctioned IPSC match, then talk to Mr. Hansen as you already have his attention, or your ZD, PTO or SC.
As an RO, I'd like to address one point you made.
There have been times that I thought "maybe" I saw someone break 90 or "maybe" I saw a finger in the trigger during a reload or movement. I say "maybe" because I'm not certain. if I'm not 100% certain I'm not going to call it. I do NOT want to DQ a person over a "maybe", I don't want to DQ anyone over a 100% either, but at that point I have no choice.
However if I see a "maybe" from one competitor, I may find a better position to watch for infractions so another competitor that would have been a "maybe" now breaks a rule that I can call with 100% certainty. So while 2 people did the exact same thing, only one goes home, simply because I'm human and I wasn't in the right place at the right time to be certain of the first person.
You need to understand that while all officials try their damnedest to be be perfect, we're all human and therefore not perfect. No matter how hard we try, there will be some variance.
So again, if these were not official IPSC matches, talk to your club. If they are IPSC matches, you have Sean's info.
In Alberta there are LOTS of club matches. In fact just got home from one a couple hours ago. A club match is NOT an IPSC sanctioned match, at least not in AB. Most clubs follow the IPSC rules in their club matches, however that's their choice if they want to pick and choose the rules. Only official IPSC AB sanctioned matches must follow the rule book to the letter. Since I don't know where you're from and how things are done there I can only compare them to how things are done here. If it's not an officially sanctioned match, then it's the club you need to be speaking to, not IPSC. If it IS an official sanctioned IPSC match, then talk to Mr. Hansen as you already have his attention, or your ZD, PTO or SC.
As an RO, I'd like to address one point you made.
There have been times that I thought "maybe" I saw someone break 90 or "maybe" I saw a finger in the trigger during a reload or movement. I say "maybe" because I'm not certain. if I'm not 100% certain I'm not going to call it. I do NOT want to DQ a person over a "maybe", I don't want to DQ anyone over a 100% either, but at that point I have no choice.
However if I see a "maybe" from one competitor, I may find a better position to watch for infractions so another competitor that would have been a "maybe" now breaks a rule that I can call with 100% certainty. So while 2 people did the exact same thing, only one goes home, simply because I'm human and I wasn't in the right place at the right time to be certain of the first person.
You need to understand that while all officials try their damnedest to be be perfect, we're all human and therefore not perfect. No matter how hard we try, there will be some variance.
So again, if these were not official IPSC matches, talk to your club. If they are IPSC matches, you have Sean's info.
I think ndb86 finished this thread with that post.
It's made an interesting read, and the only comment I could add, is that the OP should probably take an RO course to brush up on the rules, and have them explained to him. Ask all the questions there, by certified instructors rather than posting here and causing unneeded drama.
It's made an interesting read, and the only comment I could add, is that the OP should probably take an RO course to brush up on the rules, and have them explained to him. Ask all the questions there, by certified instructors rather than posting here and causing unneeded drama.
It is my post, so I would like to end it on a constructive note. This has been a useful discussion. It is my impression that there is a lot of variance in enforcement of the rules across the country and officiating can be a bit "variable," as well. People - all volunteers - do the best they can. In my estimation, a simple hour session among ROs, prior to a season, or every now and then, is all that is required to go over common scenarios and ensure everyone is in the same canoe to paddling in the same direction.
