IPSC trying to drop the hammer on USPSA?

Canuck44 said:
...I doubt many,if any, USPSA shooters give a rats a$$ about IPSC and most would consider this to be an "up yours" by IPSC...
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Most of those have no idea how huge IPSC is in Europe and Asia and doesn't want to get out of their own rat hole. Unfortunately that also applies to the most of Canadian IPSC members too.

The Open US nationals haven't had even 300 competitors. The biggest Area matches are in a range of 600 shooters. On the other hand, the badly organized European match that run at the same had over 1100 shooters. Let's talk again when USPSA host a match of a similar scale.
 
I just meant that the steps for affiliation currently involve getting approval from the RD.
Don't think he ever has, or would say no, but if the two orgs go their separate ways, that one "hurdle" would be gone.
Barrier to entry would be reduced to fill out the application and send your money.

The ones immediately affected by all this will be the US shooters that want to compete in World Shoots.
And that will be temporary.
US IPSC clubs/region will form and then all will be as is was, except for the online pissing contests and buthurt at the exec level.
 
euxx said:
Most of those have no idea how huge IPSC is in Europe and Asia and doesn't want to get out of their own rat hole. Unfortunately that also applies to the most of Canadian IPSC members too.

The Open US nationals haven't had even 300 competitors. The biggest Area matches are in a range of 600 shooters. On the other hand, the badly organized European match that run at the same had over 1100 shooters. Let's talk again when USPSA host a match of a similar scale.
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Many people in the US have never left the US or ever intend to, and many don't even have a passport.
They really don't care what happens in Europe and with IPSC.
They have USPSA and other disciplines, so there is no need to venture out of the US.
 
pauls said:
Many people in the US have never left the US or ever intend to, and many don't even have a passport.
They really don't care what happens in Europe and with IPSC.
They have USPSA and other disciplines, so there is no need to venture out of the US.
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pauls, that's what I said. However the official Foley statement is saying that uspsa want to expand their brand beyond US. IMHO that battle is lost before it is started, and as others noted, uspsa has its own domestic issues that yet to be fixed.

What I don't quite get is why Canadians even care to support uspsa in Canada, being 2nd class uspsa members without voting privileges and with an extra to pay for uspsa membership, with no organization subsidy for training ROs and new members or to new clubs. Those Canadian clubs that host uspsa matches are currently using the IPSC-trained ROs and other IPSC club resources, that is very handy, but they really should pay for their own!

We should instead start our own CPSA organization and get those pesky Americans to bow to Canada instead! Though, didn't we already had CPSA about 15 years ago?
 
So when US clubs want CPSA affiliation, will they have to ask USPSA for permission??

I think CPSA could take off internationally.
Everything limited to 10 rounds, double shrouding of steel, and having to apologize for the noise after every shot.
Awards will be bottles of maple syrup.
Sells itself!!
 
pauls, I knew you'd totally get it!

pauls said:
So when US clubs want CPSA affiliation, will they have to ask USPSA for permission??
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If I were CPSA RD, I'd make US clubs to beg us to allow them to affiliate, or otherwise no maple syrup for them! Who cares about USPSA permission, we are Canadians!
 
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pauls said:
So when US clubs want CPSA affiliation, will they have to ask USPSA for permission??

I think CPSA could take off internationally.
Everything limited to 10 rounds, double shrouding of steel, and having to apologize for the noise after every shot.
Awards will be bottles of maple syrup.
Sells itself!!
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Don't forget the occasional range shut down which cancels the entire match days before its set to occur

We could make a ton of money requiring black badges as well.
 
Onagoth said:
Don't forget the occasional range shut down which cancels the entire match days before its set to occur

We could make a ton of money requiring black badges as well.
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we'd have to use a different colour, sorry color (have to type in American)
 
cbabes said:
pauls can you ask euxx to be my friend? Tell him about all my good character traits. Imagine us 3 traveling the world shooting :)
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euxx traveled with pauls to a number of matches (including a world shoot) and it never occurred to either of them to ask for a friendship up front... There are much more meaningful questions to ask or more interesting problems to discuss in this short life.

As for euxx, he is finds people either interesting to hang out with or have something more interesting to waste time on and can't care less if someone is offended by that or takes it personal.
 
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euxx said:
pauls, that's what I said. However the official Foley statement is saying that uspsa want to expand their brand beyond US. IMHO that battle is lost before it is started, and as others noted, uspsa has its own domestic issues that yet to be fixed.

What I don't quite get is why Canadians even care to support uspsa in Canada, being 2nd class uspsa members without voting privileges and with an extra to pay for uspsa membership, with no organization subsidy for training ROs and new members or to new clubs. Those Canadian clubs that host uspsa matches are currently using the IPSC-trained ROs and other IPSC club resources, that is very handy, but they really should pay for their own!

We should instead start our own CPSA organization and get those pesky Americans to bow to Canada instead! Though, didn't we already had CPSA about 15 years ago?
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Not quite sure what to say here but will try..

- I used to shoot IDPA and it's not under IPSC, so what? Diff org and rules and fees, but chose to join and play. I chose not to renew but support people's interest in IDPA
- I was able to vote, I guess I'm 1st class USPSA member.
- my annual USPSA fee is about same as a single IPSC match fee and I get a Front Sight magazine.
- USPSA RO course was US$50 and you get your money back after you RO at matches, RO's pay less in match fees even if they just shoot
- it's ok to play different sports and still be official at them if qualified and certified

- if CPSA takes off, would you rather want to ban USPSA, IPSC or IDPA members to join it or treat them as 2nd class or traitors?

If I wanna eat steak one day and chicken or fish on another one, is it a bad thing? Or steak AND lobster? I doubt I'm gonna get free steak for buying lobster thou :)
 
euxx said:
euxx traveled with pauls to a number of matches (including a world shoot) and it never occurred to either of them to ask for a friendship up front... There are much more meaningful questions to ask or more interesting problems to discuss in this short life.

As for euxx, he is finds people either interesting to hand out with or have something more interesting to waste time on and can't care less if someone is offended by that or takes it personal.
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Not sure I want to "hand out" with you in the first or third person. Bahahaha ok sorry for derailing. Back on track everyone. My opinion is IPSC and USPSA should kiss and make up.
 
CeeZer said:
- I was able to vote, I guess I'm 1st class USPSA member.
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"was" - is a correct word. uspsa changed this in January 2016, so welcome to the club of 2nd class uspsa members. For the record I'm not part of the club, as not being a uspsa member. While uspsa is an IPSC region I see no point to pay them any more money than I have to. Besides, when uspsa folks come to shoot ipsc matches we don't make them buy ipsc membership, that comes as part of being an ipsc region and all.

Oh, and it's the first time I hear about RO's paying less. I guess I'm being ripped of by uspsa'ers as I quite often acting as an RO and scoring at their L1s...
 
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