IPSC unusual situation question

jonsey

jonsey

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Long time shooter and recently moved to Ontario from Colorado. I would like to get myself sorted for a club and then black badge course.

Problem is that after challenging and getting my PAL I am ready to join a club but due to summer time things going with the safety course guy at the club I would like to join I am unable to get safetied and then probied for the next several months.

So my question is...

I have my guns coming soon from across the border that I cannot use until I get sorted at the club, is there a way I can get qualified with the BB course in the mean time. This would mean borrowing a gun etc and I wouldn't have a club membership or ATT of course at this point (I do have NRA and CSSA membership though)

Any thoughts and suggestions would be very welcome. At least I would feel that I was doing something while waiting for the safety etc to go have some fun more regular.

I currently live in North York area of Toronto

Thanks in advance for you comments

Jonsey
 
:pWe must first answer that with a question....and the question burning in everyone's mind (well nearly everyone:rolleyes:) is.....

Why in hell would you move from Colorado to Toronto?
You know T.O. blows dead donkey d!inks, right?:D
 
if you can get someone to lend you a firearm to complete the Black badge course is your only hurdle.
For those who do not have a PAL or are WAITing to receive it The requirement of being in direct supervision of a licensed firearm holder is satisfied with the Instructor and helper(s) at the class since they are in direct supervision of all students during the course. You should inform the instructor out of courtesy that you are not licensed ( in your case you are so this doesn't matter) so they can take more care to observe you.

When you do get your guns in from colorado (man why o why would you come here from there) you can have a friend who holds the proper license and after informing the CFO (better safe than sorry) that s/he will be transporting the firearm for you on a particular day if you are hell bent on using your own firearm instead of borrowing one. other than that enjoy your Black badge course and shoot straight...
 
If you sign up for a BB course, (at any club that offers it) all you need is the equipment (borrowed or not) and the ATT to get it there (if you borrow a gun, then you would need to get a temp ATT to get it to the club, or bring the lender along to watch you (who would have an att already for it)
 
beltfed said:
:pWe must first answer that with a question....and the question burning in everyone's mind (well nearly everyone:rolleyes:) is.....

Why in hell would you move from Colorado to Toronto?
You know T.O. blows dead donkey d!inks, right?:D
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YES!! inquiring minds want to know! .....as for the paperwork/procedure stuff....what the other guys said.
 
so thanks for the initial thoughs guys.

In answer to some of th questions..

work brought me to TO. and I acually like it here as a city. It does hurt a lttle being from an area where I had my CCW and was actually able to use it. Not to menion that they were fine with open carry there too... although did't see too many - mainly those cowboy 6 shooter dudes.

I do have my PAL - I had sorted out a challeng to the course before I came and then took in within a week or so being hereand I might ay that the government were actually fast ( by about a week) in getting it back to me.

Government offices (both Canadian and US ) screwed my royally by loosing paperwork and setting me back so much but I do expect my guns coming through the border by mid September hopefully.

So just to reiterate...and boil the question down further...

Can a card carrying, non gun club member( wth all that entails... ATT etc) go borrow a gun, go to and take the black bdge course?

By the way guys I do like the site....very lively discussions going on here

Jonsey
 
Oh and by the way if anyone want to know what the deal is about buying and shipping a gun across border drop a line..I have indpth detail

Jonsey
 
The easiest possible solution would be to use someone's pistol who would be at the range when you do your BB. He does the transport, and is present when you use his pistol under supervision.
If you want to investigate what is involved in borrowing a pistol, call the CFO in Orillia. You may find that this is not a practical option.
An ON ATT is valid for all restricted firearms and prohibited handguns registered to the residence of the holder. An ATT holder cannot pick up your pistol and transport it to a range for you.
Don't understand your "by about a week" comment about having your PAL quickly. An initial PAL cannot be issued in less than 28 days from receipt of the application.
 
Jonsey,
I would be more than happy to loan you my equipment, I have CZ SP01 available to you c/w holster, mag pouches mags...If you are interested I would order some ammo from Wolf and you would be all set. Email or call me and we can discus it further.
 
Depending on how the Ontario section conducts it's business you may not have to take the full Black Badge course. If you shot IPSC in the US and can have USPSA issue you a letter confirming your experience, then you may be able to challenge the practical part of the course and just write the BBC exam. I would speak with the Zone Director for your area and find out what options that you have.


DVC
 
IPSC doesn't care whose gun you use, or what your legal/pal/att situation is. As long as whatever equipment you use gets there legally, it's all good.

So, you can borrow someone else's gun, and get the ATT to bring it there, or someone else can bring the equipment to the club, for you to use in your course (as I've done for multiple university students over the past 3 years). You just need to find someone whose equipment you can use.
 
Thanks so much guys. Great response to a question... as I said before this site certainly is energetic.

I must say a big thanks to those folks who have suggested that I can use their guns etc, how welcoming can you get ... Canada might have it's politcal issues (every county has) but the folks here are wonderful.

I guess the next thing is to find an IPSC course going on. Does anyone know of a central point that lists the BB courses over Ontario or do I have to contact every club in my area.

Jonsey
 
I belive here in Ont you cant borrow a restricted firearm the owner can bring it to the range and you can shoot it
 
JB said:
I belive here in Ont you cant borrow a restricted firearm the owner can bring it to the range and you can shoot it
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Two conditions in Ontario

1) you ARE allowed to borrow a restricted firearm
2) you need an Temp ATT to transfer it (if can get it, is a different question, it's also a CFO policy on who/why you can get a temp ATT, it's not "law" per say)


Subject to section 34, a person may lend a firearm only if

(a) the person

(i) has reasonable grounds to believe that the borrower holds a licence authorizing the borrower to possess that kind of firearm, and

(ii) lends the borrower the registration certificate for the firearm, except in the case of a borrower who uses the firearm to hunt or trap in order to sustain himself or herself or his or her family; or

(b) the borrower uses the firearm under the direct and immediate supervision of the person in the same manner in which the person may lawfully use it.
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IF you've been shooting USPSA for the last few years, then taking a black badge course seems like a waste of your time/money and a class slot. If you lived in the US and shot a match up here you wouldn't need to do the course so why must you take the class now that your address has changed, does moving lessen your skills? Anything more then doing a few drills infront of a BB Instructor for 30 min to prove your head isn't up your ass is just bureaucratic bulls**t
 
I guess where I come from in Colorado it is easy to just go out and have some fun (with all precautions and good sense prevailing) essentially on your own or someones' property, so untill moving here I have not been part of a formal league or club for shooting in this dynamic style. I was pat of a couple of shooting clubs for both shotgun and handgun and I have taken multiple courses (any serious gun owner should have the knowledge to own and use a gun). Some of these include the NRA In the Home and Outside the Home Self defence(NRA web site for their description) as well as attending a Frontsight course down in Nevada (Check out their web site www.Frontsight.com) but after all this I don't have an accreditiation for the US version of IPSC.

What would I be able to show if anything that I have some experience in this type of shooting that might help towards the BB course.

I might add that I beware of some folks who talk about credits and courses etc to make them sound great, I am just a normal guy who enjoys the sport and for that matter enjoys it dispite the fact that I still have difficulty hitting what I aim at !!??oh well that's why we keep going down the range.

Jonsey
 
Madness said:
IF you've been shooting USPSA for the last few years, then taking a black badge course seems like a waste of your time/money and a class slot. If you lived in the US and shot a match up here you wouldn't need to do the course so why must you take the class now that your address has changed, does moving lessen your skills? Anything more then doing a few drills infront of a BB Instructor for 30 min to prove your head isn't up your ass is just bureaucratic bulls**t
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Where in this thread does it say anything about Jonesly being a member of the USPSA ?
 
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