Ipsc Vs Idpa
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RHall said:
Pop or Tritium shoot both so they should be able to give opinion on them. IDPA gear is very simple, no race holsters, no open guns. They do something different with mag changes, only drop to the ground if empty (?). IDPA stipulate the use of cover more, which is a good thing, but I have seen lots of IPSC matches where fault lines and barriers force you to shoot from cover anyway. They are both shooting "GAMES", or "SPORTS".
IPSC is all race style shooting. IDPA is all defensive style shooting.
Both are fun as hell. IPSC has been around longer so it's more popular. IDPA is starting to make it's way across the border. Take a Black Badge course - everyone respects it.
You should do both.
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Both are fun as hell. IPSC has been around longer so it's more popular. IDPA is starting to make it's way across the border. Take a Black Badge course - everyone respects it.
You should do both.
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Hi,
Maurice is very dead on with this one. They are both games and both have unique rules.
IDPA stresses scenarios that are more on line with "defensive situations". The rules require that the shooter shall not use a "race holster" and shall only carry a total of 3 mags. Courses of fire are not to exceed 18 rounds (correct me if I'm wrong here IDPA gurus). All draws are from concealment or, if you are serving Military or Police, then using ALL duty gear (i.e. armour, duty rig with retention holster and while wearing batons, OC, handcuffs, etc).
All mag changes are to be done from cover, use of cover is mandatory, targets are to engaged in tactical sequence (guns before knives or unarmed assailants, etc). Shooting on the move is sometimes dictated in the course of fire. Scoring is quick and dirty because points can be figured out immediately from hits on target added to time (C zone = +1, D zone = +2, mikes = plus five and there is also failure to neutralize i.e. no hits in a scoring area that would normally cause incapacitation and a mike in a defensive scenario).
A problem I have noticed is the debate on what is proper tactical sequence or what to do if you inadvertently drop a mag or exactly what tactics are. A course designer would have to be a tactical god to figure out all of these things and even then two highly skilled tactical people may disagree on what is right and wrong. I also don't like the idea of "failure to do right" penalties... it leaves too much room for an RO to screw over a competitor (yup I've seen it happen and it happened to me). I've seen guys fumble to pick up a dropped mag so that they wouldn't incur a 3 second procedural or a failure to do right..if it was a tactical situation then you'd have a bullet in the top of your head while screwing around trying to pick something up.
IDPA is fun and anyone who thinks that IDPA prepares them for a lethal confrontation is on crack or maybe should consider using crack 'cause then getting beat up or shot might not hurt as much and you'll be all messed up for court and have a great sympathy ploy at sentencing time!!!!
I shoot IDPA because it's fun, it isn't as politically correct as IPSC (as if any form of shooting sport is politically correct!?!
), I can use what I wear to train and to go operational and the shooters see it as FUN and not the end-all-to-be-all. (I know IPSC guys who think that EVERYONE knows who they are because they shoot IPSC... yeah, right! ) Also, IDPA shooters that I've been with don't take the sport too seriously, I haven't seen anyone argue with an RO yet, there aren't any shooters in their "ZONE" and people are actually polite!
I love IPSC but I don't like some competitors. I've learned more from IPSC than from IDPA (maybe it was timing but I don't think so). Both are fun and you should explore both. It's shooting that counts regarless of the discipline.
Get out and shoot..it's fun, wholesome and rewarding.
Maurice is very dead on with this one. They are both games and both have unique rules.
IDPA stresses scenarios that are more on line with "defensive situations". The rules require that the shooter shall not use a "race holster" and shall only carry a total of 3 mags. Courses of fire are not to exceed 18 rounds (correct me if I'm wrong here IDPA gurus). All draws are from concealment or, if you are serving Military or Police, then using ALL duty gear (i.e. armour, duty rig with retention holster and while wearing batons, OC, handcuffs, etc).
All mag changes are to be done from cover, use of cover is mandatory, targets are to engaged in tactical sequence (guns before knives or unarmed assailants, etc). Shooting on the move is sometimes dictated in the course of fire. Scoring is quick and dirty because points can be figured out immediately from hits on target added to time (C zone = +1, D zone = +2, mikes = plus five and there is also failure to neutralize i.e. no hits in a scoring area that would normally cause incapacitation and a mike in a defensive scenario).
A problem I have noticed is the debate on what is proper tactical sequence or what to do if you inadvertently drop a mag or exactly what tactics are. A course designer would have to be a tactical god to figure out all of these things and even then two highly skilled tactical people may disagree on what is right and wrong. I also don't like the idea of "failure to do right" penalties... it leaves too much room for an RO to screw over a competitor (yup I've seen it happen and it happened to me). I've seen guys fumble to pick up a dropped mag so that they wouldn't incur a 3 second procedural or a failure to do right..if it was a tactical situation then you'd have a bullet in the top of your head while screwing around trying to pick something up.
IDPA is fun and anyone who thinks that IDPA prepares them for a lethal confrontation is on crack or maybe should consider using crack 'cause then getting beat up or shot might not hurt as much and you'll be all messed up for court and have a great sympathy ploy at sentencing time!!!!
I shoot IDPA because it's fun, it isn't as politically correct as IPSC (as if any form of shooting sport is politically correct!?!
), I can use what I wear to train and to go operational and the shooters see it as FUN and not the end-all-to-be-all. (I know IPSC guys who think that EVERYONE knows who they are because they shoot IPSC... yeah, right! ) Also, IDPA shooters that I've been with don't take the sport too seriously, I haven't seen anyone argue with an RO yet, there aren't any shooters in their "ZONE" and people are actually polite! I love IPSC but I don't like some competitors. I've learned more from IPSC than from IDPA (maybe it was timing but I don't think so). Both are fun and you should explore both. It's shooting that counts regarless of the discipline.
Get out and shoot..it's fun, wholesome and rewarding.
undertaker
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IDPA is a blast- never tried IPSC, but i have seen it- try both if you can
I think IDPA is more geared as well for newer shooters, and people who dont want to spend alot on race guns- bring a stock gun and holster, off you go- more relaxed game for sure, as tritium had mentioned as well.
ALL shooting is good shooting- try everything, and go with what catches you
I think IDPA is more geared as well for newer shooters, and people who dont want to spend alot on race guns- bring a stock gun and holster, off you go- more relaxed game for sure, as tritium had mentioned as well.
ALL shooting is good shooting- try everything, and go with what catches you
Soli
No drop leg holsters are not allowed. Go to IDPA website and there is a Chapter on holsters that is easy reading.
In IDPA reloads must be done behind cover IF available.
Scenarios where reloads requiring retention are not encouraged. Mags must be retained if they hold rounds or are empty but your slide is closed on a live round. This rule is to discourage round counting. In other words you can drop an empty mag on the ground only if your gun is at slide lock.
One other difference is you are not allowed to air gun scenarios before shooting them in IDPA. As somebody has pointed out IPSC is all almost all about speed where in IDPA you incur greater penalties for missing the "A" zone and where points down have a greater effect on your score. In short you cannot miss fast enough in IDPA.
Both are very much games and both can assist you in developing shooting skills. I have yet to see a RO decision questioned in IDPA. More of a go with the flow crowd IMHO.
Take Care
Bob
No drop leg holsters are not allowed. Go to IDPA website and there is a Chapter on holsters that is easy reading.
In IDPA reloads must be done behind cover IF available.
Scenarios where reloads requiring retention are not encouraged. Mags must be retained if they hold rounds or are empty but your slide is closed on a live round. This rule is to discourage round counting. In other words you can drop an empty mag on the ground only if your gun is at slide lock.
One other difference is you are not allowed to air gun scenarios before shooting them in IDPA. As somebody has pointed out IPSC is all almost all about speed where in IDPA you incur greater penalties for missing the "A" zone and where points down have a greater effect on your score. In short you cannot miss fast enough in IDPA.
Both are very much games and both can assist you in developing shooting skills. I have yet to see a RO decision questioned in IDPA. More of a go with the flow crowd IMHO.
Take Care
Bob
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Hi
Well if my math is right, this year,5 IDPA matches done, and one this weekend comming up.
Smith's Falls had 3
Cornwall 1
Pembroke 1 + 1 this weekend. (And they plan on having indoor matches this winter, so I was told
)
Well if my math is right, this year,5 IDPA matches done, and one this weekend comming up.
Smith's Falls had 3
Cornwall 1
Pembroke 1 + 1 this weekend. (And they plan on having indoor matches this winter, so I was told
)
Funny, everybody says IPSC and IDPA are games and not preparation for actual street use. Maybe so, but would you rather have the experience of these two games or nothing at all? A person with either of these 2 backgrounds could likely outshoot any bad guy with little firearm experience. It will help balance out the fact that the BG has a certain amount of street smarts and will likely invoke the incident.
+1 along with Tritium... I like both sports, both are a lot of fun, both have their +/-'s. Yes we goof around (safely) and we have a lot of fun in IDPA...
Course design is only limited by your imagination.
yep...now wait until you have to shoot them steel boogers out at 35yards... and only two mags on your body
Course design is only limited by your imagination.
As most of you know... IPSC is my game.
But, I have shot IDPA (or IDPA style matches) in the past and the only real problem I have with IDPA is the amount of discretion that the officials have. As Trit said, "failure to do right"???? or 50% cover??? I just don't like how much effect that the official can have on your score.
Keep in mind though that "trigger time" is "trigger time" no matter what game you are playing.
But, I have shot IDPA (or IDPA style matches) in the past and the only real problem I have with IDPA is the amount of discretion that the officials have. As Trit said, "failure to do right"???? or 50% cover??? I just don't like how much effect that the official can have on your score.
Keep in mind though that "trigger time" is "trigger time" no matter what game you are playing.
2Filthy said:
I've never seen this happen with any RO's I've shot under... I don't think I've ever screwed anyone out of their proper score... As with most games the benefit of the doubt is given to the shooter.... So you're more likely to get more than you should.
In my experience the simplicity of the IDPA format lessens the likelyhood of disputes.... 'Way more "debate" at your average IPSC match than at an IDPA shoot.
As with any game the more familiar you get with it the better you'll understand it.
